ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?

[RegMolehusband]

Just popping in to say that, IMHO, it won't be long before Construction and Use Regulations limit the rate of change of road speed from a standing start on battery cars.

Too many battery powered drivers will want to prove a point to ICE drivers and their brains won't be able to keep pace with 0-60 in 4 seconds or less. Very rapid acceleration 0-40 is possibly more dangerous than doing a steady 40mph in a 30 limit. All, as I say, IMHO.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Thursday 18th February 13:47

[DonkeyApple]

RegMolehusband said:

Just popping in to say that, IMHO, it won't be long before Construction and Use Regulations limit the rate of change of road speed from a standing start on battery cars.

Too many battery powered drivers will want to prove a point to ICE drivers and their brains won't be able to keep pace with 0-60 in 4 seconds or less. Very rapid acceleration 0-40 is possibly more dangerous than doing a steady 40mph in a 30 limit. All, as I say, IMHO.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Thursday 18th February 13:47

https://youtu.be/cGcIFgAzJR8

[TTmonkey]

RegMolehusband said:

Just popping in to say that, IMHO, it won't be long before Construction and Use Regulations limit the rate of change of road speed from a standing start on battery cars.

Too many battery powered drivers will want to prove a point to ICE drivers and their brains won't be able to keep pace with 0-60 in 4 seconds or less. Very rapid acceleration 0-40 is possibly more dangerous than doing a steady 40mph in a 30 limit. All, as I say, IMHO.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Thursday 18th February 13:47

Especially in a virtually silent car.

[ruggedscotty]

TTmonkey said:

RegMolehusband said:

Just popping in to say that, IMHO, it won't be long before Construction and Use Regulations limit the rate of change of road speed from a standing start on battery cars.

Too many battery powered drivers will want to prove a point to ICE drivers and their brains won't be able to keep pace with 0-60 in 4 seconds or less. Very rapid acceleration 0-40 is possibly more dangerous than doing a steady 40mph in a 30 limit. All, as I say, IMHO.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Thursday 18th February 13:47

Especially in a virtually silent car.

I dont think they will stay silent for long, as more and more electric cars are around they will start to have implications with pedestrians so im pretty sure you will have some form of audio noise being generated by electric vehicles.

[Kawasicki]

ruggedscotty said:

I dont think they will stay silent for long, as more and more electric cars are around they will start to have implications with pedestrians so im pretty sure you will have some form of audio noise being generated by electric vehicles.

Yes, noise pollution is the worst. It wrecks lives. Something must be done.

[schuey]

I’ve just bought a Range Rover so you could say I have no intention of joining in with the EV “revolution”. I intend to buy the most powerful obnoxious ICE car I can find in 2030 and run it 'til I give up driving so it’ll have to last maybe 30 years. I run an offshore windfarm for a living,so if you believe in all that man made climate change stuff then it’ll be carbon neutral anyway.

[SWoll]

RegMolehusband said:

Just popping in to say that, IMHO, it won't be long before Construction and Use Regulations limit the rate of change of road speed from a standing start on battery cars.

Too many battery powered drivers will want to prove a point to ICE drivers and their brains won't be able to keep pace with 0-60 in 4 seconds or less. Very rapid acceleration 0-40 is possibly more dangerous than doing a steady 40mph in a 30 limit. All, as I say, IMHO.

Edited by RegMolehusband on Thursday 18th February 13:47

The vast majority of EV's are barely quicker than their ICE counterparts. High end stuff is very quick but as now with ICE not everyone is going to buy the performance models.

ruggedscotty said:

I dont think they will stay silent for long, as more and more electric cars are around they will start to have implications with pedestrians so im pretty sure you will have some form of audio noise being generated by electric vehicles.

Been mandatory on new Ev's at low speeds for quite a while.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-noise-syste...

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 18th February 22:45

[Wiltshire Lad]

Evanivitch said:

AlphaDelta said:

The reality will most likely be a 2tonne+ SUV you renew every 2-3 years, made with rare earth metal components mined by children in the DRC.

House! What do I win!?

We already have 2-3 ton SUVs with ICE running up and down the road. Velar being one.

All manufacturers are moving away from Cobalt content, the Chinese-made, and sold globally Tesla Model 3 uses a LFP battery already, no cobalt.

And all manufacturers have made commitments to securing the cobalt if needed in an ethical manner.

Which isn't something the oil refiners committed to despite using cobalt to clean up their fuel for decades. But that never bothered you?

Hate to break it AlphaDelta but by far the largest consumers of Cobalt are phones, tablets and computers so unless he sent his post in by carrier pigeon he clearly needs to report himself to UNICEF....

[DonkeyApple]

Wiltshire Lad said:

Evanivitch said:

AlphaDelta said:

The reality will most likely be a 2tonne+ SUV you renew every 2-3 years, made with rare earth metal components mined by children in the DRC.

House! What do I win!?

We already have 2-3 ton SUVs with ICE running up and down the road. Velar being one.

All manufacturers are moving away from Cobalt content, the Chinese-made, and sold globally Tesla Model 3 uses a LFP battery already, no cobalt.

And all manufacturers have made commitments to securing the cobalt if needed in an ethical manner.

Which isn't something the oil refiners committed to despite using cobalt to clean up their fuel for decades. But that never bothered you?

Hate to break it AlphaDelta but by far the largest consumers of Cobalt are phones, tablets and computers so unless he sent his post in by carrier pigeon he clearly needs to report himself to UNICEF....

Pigeons? There's cobalt in birdfood.

[anonymous-user]

Anyway, who is 'ICE' and why are they banning clouds?

[Lil'RedGTO]

They're not banning all clouds, just the far away ones.

[Down on the Farm]

I Can't Explain (ICE) - even though some clouds are far far away they look more and more threatening the closer they get

[Lordbenny]

Synthetic fuel IS the future....Porsche think so too!

This makes interesting reading.....

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

[DonkeyApple]

Lordbenny said:

Synthetic fuel IS the future....Porsche think so too!

This makes interesting reading.....

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

That article doesn't even say anyone is striving towards synthetic fuel for road cars. It's basically saying that Bosch have published some research on CO2 using a set of 'what ifs' as the premis.

Even if firms did produce fuels from scrubbing air it wouldn't be wasted on private vehicles but as a last ditch attempt to keep planes flying.

For Europe, the combustion engine is kaput. It's all
About the electric motor, which is infinitely superior. The big changes will be how the energy is stored or generated for that electric motor.

The best we can hope for is that EV adoption is swift enough due to competitive advantage that those who want to keep an ICE can and that others don't maintain their prejudice. Basically, the quicker EVs become the cheaper option then the quicker all the hate and tripe just evaporates and we can be left alone.

[NDA]

Perhaps ICE cars will be for the wealthy only in the future? An EV for daily use and a horse in the stable for fine weather.

[DonkeyApple]

NDA said:

Perhaps ICE cars will be for the wealthy only in the future? An EV for daily use and a horse in the stable for fine weather.

It would be sad. Although casbare easier to store and feed so the only thing preventing people still using them in the future will be punitive taxation. This is why I feel the quicker EVs become the de facto, common sense, generic lease the sooner market forces will drive the shift than taxes, which in turn means the greater likelihood that those who wish to keep an old petrol car for leisure purposes will be free to do so.

[av185]

Lordbenny said:

Synthetic fuel IS the future....Porsche think so too!

This makes interesting reading.....

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

[Terminator X]

It seems that the reports of the death of ICE have perhaps been greatly exaggerated. The EV Evangelists will be sucking through pursed lips

TX.

Edit - "Porsche has teamed up with Siemens Energy to produce 130,000 litres of climate-neutral eFuel by 2022. Called the Haru Oni project and based in southern Chile due to its windy climate, the new venture aims to step production to 55 million litres of eFuel a year by 2024, and then to 550 million litres by 2026."

Edited by Terminator X on Monday 22 February 12:00

[anonymous-user]

Terminator X said:

It seems that the reports of the death of ICE have perhaps been greatly exaggerated. The EV Evangelists will be sucking through pursed lips

TX.

Edit - "Porsche has teamed up with Siemens Energy to produce 130,000 litres of climate-neutral eFuel by 2022. Called the Haru Oni project and based in southern Chile due to its windy climate, the new venture aims to step production to 55 million litres of eFuel a year by 2024, and then to 550 million litres by 2026."

Edited by Terminator X on Monday 22 February 12:00

Lolz, you know i once baked a cake, but this does not make me Mr Kipling you know ;-)

For comparison, the UK alone burned 16.2 BILLION litres of road fuels in 2019 according to the Petrol Retailers Ascociation !
This is the problem with replacing Petrol and Diesel, we are absolutely wedded to pretty much uncontrolled consumption of these fuels, in quanties so enourmous as to be hard to comprehend)

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 22 February 12:40

[bigothunter]

Max_Torque said:

For comparison, the UK alone burned 16.2 BILLION litres of road fuels in 2019 according to the Petrol Retailers Ascociation !
This is the problem with replacing Petrol and Diesel, we are absolutely wedded to pretty much uncontrolled consumption of these fuels, in quanties so enourmous as to be hard to comprehend)

Petrol alone accounted for 16.2bn litres. Total road fuel is 46.5bn litres.

https://www.ukpra.co.uk/en/about/facts-and-figures