Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 18]
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d_a_n1979 said:
Oh that is nice and it sold fast tooDapster said:
All prices incl VAT:
Sportline suspension with 8 hole alloys £1,076
MB Sound system: £756
Speakers front and electric arial: £225
Speakers rear: £206
Leather seating: £1,863
Metallic paint: £740
Electric seats front (each): £358
Electric seats front (each): £358
Heated front seats: £358
Multi contour backrest (each): £246
Acceleration skid control (ASR): £2,234
Automatic locking differential (ASD): £1,022
Air conditioning: £1,947
Anti theft system: £628
Sub total: £12,017
E320 - £35,100
Total: £47,117
Inflation adjusted: £92,632
I used to think that I had seriously missed out on the "good old days" of the motor trade because of my age. Back when barges were barges. Way before the days of silly trim lines, option packs and inflated OTR prices to help fiddle the cost of financing. When the premium manufacturers prided themselves on producing and selling a premium product and experience. Sportline suspension with 8 hole alloys £1,076
MB Sound system: £756
Speakers front and electric arial: £225
Speakers rear: £206
Leather seating: £1,863
Metallic paint: £740
Electric seats front (each): £358
Electric seats front (each): £358
Heated front seats: £358
Multi contour backrest (each): £246
Acceleration skid control (ASR): £2,234
Automatic locking differential (ASD): £1,022
Air conditioning: £1,947
Anti theft system: £628
Sub total: £12,017
E320 - £35,100
Total: £47,117
Inflation adjusted: £92,632
Nothing has ever brought me back from this ideal more than realising Mercedes-Benz actually expected you to pay for front speakers and an aerial on a £35,000 car in 1995
I see modern Mercedes taking a pasting more than on occasion in this thread for being "style over substance" or something. You flat out cannot order even the most boggo E Class without many of those listed options such as heated and contour seats, A/C, Traction control/ESP. Heck, they EVEN throw in a radio these days, with 4 whole speakers and the much maligned "ipad on the dash" and "Strip club lighting" FOR FREE. £40k OTR... Ironically less than a similarly speced 124 e320 would have been pound for pound in the 90s...
"It was a different time, of course you can't expect 'modern' features to be cheap/standard"
Modern features in the 90s such as radio and an aerial? Or an immobiliser?
If you're talking about things like electric seats or traction control, you could expect them if you bought Japanese for example.
LS400s, GS300s and SCs/Soarers were rolling out the factory with standard fit electric seats and traction control on not even their "top" models at a similar time in history. If you were japanese they'd give you a sodding touchscreen computer with CD based Nav system as "standard" on a UZZ31 Soarer back in 1991, and that wasn't even the top tier model!
WorldBoss said:
I used to think that I had seriously missed out on the "good old days" of the motor trade because of my age. Back when barges were barges. Way before the days of silly trim lines, option packs and inflated OTR prices to help fiddle the cost of financing. When the premium manufacturers prided themselves on producing and selling a premium product and experience.
Nothing has ever brought me back from this ideal more than realising Mercedes-Benz actually expected you to pay for front speakers and an aerial on a £35,000 car in 1995
I see modern Mercedes taking a pasting more than on occasion in this thread for being "style over substance" or something. You flat out cannot order even the most boggo E Class without many of those listed options such as heated and contour seats, A/C, Traction control/ESP. Heck, they EVEN throw in a radio these days, with 4 whole speakers and the much maligned "ipad on the dash" and "Strip club lighting" FOR FREE. £40k OTR... Ironically less than a similarly speced 124 e320 would have been pound for pound in the 90s...
"It was a different time, of course you can't expect 'modern' features to be cheap/standard"
Modern features in the 90s such as radio and an aerial? Or an immobiliser?
If you're talking about things like electric seats or traction control, you could expect them if you bought Japanese for example.
LS400s, GS300s and SCs/Soarers were rolling out the factory with standard fit electric seats and traction control on not even their "top" models at a similar time in history. If you were japanese they'd give you a sodding touchscreen computer with CD based Nav system as "standard" on a UZZ31 Soarer back in 1991, and that wasn't even the top tier model!
I can't see that MB had any choice but to move into the volume business because by the 90s the game was up on charging a fortune because their cars weren't awful, which had been their USP; mainstream manufacturers were catching up very quickly and were already more than good enough for most people, and Toyota/Lexus had totally owned them on quality and technology while coming in significantly cheaper. Nothing has ever brought me back from this ideal more than realising Mercedes-Benz actually expected you to pay for front speakers and an aerial on a £35,000 car in 1995
I see modern Mercedes taking a pasting more than on occasion in this thread for being "style over substance" or something. You flat out cannot order even the most boggo E Class without many of those listed options such as heated and contour seats, A/C, Traction control/ESP. Heck, they EVEN throw in a radio these days, with 4 whole speakers and the much maligned "ipad on the dash" and "Strip club lighting" FOR FREE. £40k OTR... Ironically less than a similarly speced 124 e320 would have been pound for pound in the 90s...
"It was a different time, of course you can't expect 'modern' features to be cheap/standard"
Modern features in the 90s such as radio and an aerial? Or an immobiliser?
If you're talking about things like electric seats or traction control, you could expect them if you bought Japanese for example.
LS400s, GS300s and SCs/Soarers were rolling out the factory with standard fit electric seats and traction control on not even their "top" models at a similar time in history. If you were japanese they'd give you a sodding touchscreen computer with CD based Nav system as "standard" on a UZZ31 Soarer back in 1991, and that wasn't even the top tier model!
BMW were nipping at their heels too, if you insisted on buying from the Old World, and even Jaguar had nailed quality and now had the backing of Ford behind them so must have looked like they could become a real threat.
£1,100 for an aftermarket Becker and four paper cones did make me smile though. That must have been close to a 1000% gross margin
W00DY said:
Had one of these as a run about, on a mine site in a sunnier, sandier African country, preferred it to my allocated LR discovery, as it was more reliable and comfortable to drive on the 30 Km daily drive from the compound to site, on properly rough roads. Mine manager had an ML imported, which completely fell apart in a year from new, rust, rattles, and electronics failing had it swopped for a land cruiser in short order.
Checking in!
They are great cars though, and look much better than the shape that replaced it which even struggles to look good when fully VIP'd
DrEMa said:
Might not be to everyone's taste (modification wise), but this is the sort of thing I be looking for when my lease is up next year:
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/217295/2000-l...
I go in for the whole VIP style thing but I find you can't go half arsed into it which is what seems to have happened here. Those rear lights need swapping straight away there are some great one still available from Japan - and then a general tidy up, like sorting out the yellowing front lights which only takes abit of elbow grease to tidy up. https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/217295/2000-l...
They are great cars though, and look much better than the shape that replaced it which even struggles to look good when fully VIP'd
Me, yesterday, “that Lexus is awful”.
Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Had one of these as a run about, on a mine site in a sunnier, sandier African country, preferred it to my allocated LR discovery, as it was more reliable and comfortable to drive on the 30 Km daily drive from the compound to site, on properly rough roads. Mine manager had an ML imported, which completely fell apart in a year from new, rust, rattles, and electronics failing had it swopped for a land cruiser in short order.
I really like Peugeots from that era, the 406 was probably the last of them but the ride/handling set up was Jaguar levels of good and they were really well built. I had a sheddy 405 estate for a while as a student and it was a brilliant car, tough and reliable. I can only imagine the 605 is even better.ETA- that eBay link now goes to some godawful 2010 207, which illustrates the point of how far they've fallen better than any words could!!
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 8th February 12:20
SpeckledJim said:
cornershop said:
Rubins4 said:
cornershop said:
I’ve been researching e36 M3 - there is something special about the straight-6 burble
My pal had an E36 M3 Evolution; 3.2 rather than 3.0, twin rather than single vanos, increased redline and 6-spd rather than 5. 321bhp rather than the standard M3’s 280odd (from memory); no traction control. The engine absolutely sings from a low, gruff burble to through a sort of metallic stirring in the mid range to a full on yowl, the Revs come faster and faster as you head up the range.You're going to swap perhaps the best looking car of the last 20 years, with a tremendous engine, for a crusty repmobile with a tremendous engine?
I love an E36 M3 as much as the next man (as long as the next man isn't you, apparently) but a V12 Vantage is a wondrous, wondrous thing.
Agree though, it’s a beautiful car.
The other part of me wants a 612, but from what I’ve read, that also suffers with a lack of engine noise drama.
Macron said:
Me, yesterday, “that Lexus is awful”.
Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
IS200/1G AND a automatic gearbox with a turbo? Ooof Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
It must be making all of an extra 20hp extra on that turbo to still be working. Neither the engine or the transmission in those are ideally suited to tuning, let alone on a piggyback signal fudge box controlling everything.
If you're willing to live with an autobox a IS300 would be a WAY better prospect for boostage
cornershop said:
SpeckledJim said:
cornershop said:
Rubins4 said:
cornershop said:
I’ve been researching e36 M3 - there is something special about the straight-6 burble
My pal had an E36 M3 Evolution; 3.2 rather than 3.0, twin rather than single vanos, increased redline and 6-spd rather than 5. 321bhp rather than the standard M3’s 280odd (from memory); no traction control. The engine absolutely sings from a low, gruff burble to through a sort of metallic stirring in the mid range to a full on yowl, the Revs come faster and faster as you head up the range.You're going to swap perhaps the best looking car of the last 20 years, with a tremendous engine, for a crusty repmobile with a tremendous engine?
I love an E36 M3 as much as the next man (as long as the next man isn't you, apparently) but a V12 Vantage is a wondrous, wondrous thing.
Agree though, it’s a beautiful car.
The other part of me wants a 612, but from what I’ve read, that also suffers with a lack of engine noise drama.
Macron said:
Me, yesterday, “that Lexus is awful”.
Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
Seek professional help.Me, today, “ooh, this IS200 which is totes chav is awesome”.
Perhaps it’s in the execution...
https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-is200-stage-...
cornershop said:
V12 Vantage is all exhaust note - as good as it is, apparently, I need good induction noise too.
Agree though, it’s a beautiful car.
The other part of me wants a 612, but from what I’ve read, that also suffers with a lack of engine noise drama.
A 612 is on my short list when I get bored of the DB9Agree though, it’s a beautiful car.
The other part of me wants a 612, but from what I’ve read, that also suffers with a lack of engine noise drama.
B'stard Child said:
d_a_n1979 said:
Oh that is nice and it sold fast tooOn the other hand; this is £2k overpriced, on horrible wheels and clearly needs a fair whack of bodywork doing, including the doors:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-BMW-7-Series-728i-...
It's also been up for sale for close to 12 months IIRC
Why is it these sellers never seem to reduce their price when it's obvious the car isn't selling, because it's overpriced...?! Bet he hasn't more than £1k in that too
d_a_n1979 said:
B'stard Child said:
d_a_n1979 said:
Oh that is nice and it sold fast tooOn the other hand; this is £2k overpriced, on horrible wheels and clearly needs a fair whack of bodywork doing, including the doors:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-BMW-7-Series-728i-...
It's also been up for sale for close to 12 months IIRC
Why is it these sellers never seem to reduce their price when it's obvious the car isn't selling, because it's overpriced...?! Bet he hasn't more than £1k in that too
A8 6.0 just out of thread - i'm not sure, but i think audi's shutlines were slightly better than this from one of the pics....
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102078...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102078...
0a said:
W00DY said:
What a tea shelf.Proper worthers.
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