Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 18]

Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 18]

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CharlesdeGaulle

15,654 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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stickleback123 said:
mondayo said:
I normally rely on CDG to ask this sort of question....but what do you mean by "dash to axle ratio".
Obviously, just to save him having to ask himself....
There are a couple of explanations available: ...
Yeah mondayo, that's exactly what I was about to say but sb123 beat me to it. Do you know nothing? Blimey, what a thicko! nuts



(Thanks for asking!)

stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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A more sensible example would be two comparable cars, a 5 series and a Honda Legend




It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much sttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:11

biggbn

9,109 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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W00DY said:
biggbn said:
W00DY said:
The Granada sold quickly and will likely be a decent investment filled with retro charm and uncomplicated mechanicals. The Eos will make you miserable and lonely and then it will break.

Its only redeeming feature is the reminder that people are fickle and the stupid SUV/Faux SUV craze will pass and be resigned to history alongside these hateful CC stboxes.

Edited by W00DY on Tuesday 23 February 10:23
So your absolutely sure about your position on this, its just your earlier post suggested a degree of wiggle room but, you really don't like it then? smile
I'm always open to changing my mind, but I think in this case that might require a baseball bat.

On today's work travels I was held up by a Renault Wind which had found its way into the motorway barriers in today's breezy conditions. Bit of nominative determinism at work there perhaps.
Goodness, I quite like those!!

biggbn

9,109 posts

183 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Macron said:
FTFY.

Do we really need to go round this buoy again? Noise. Stink. Cancer. No amount of soundproofing stops any of that.
Loved any 1.9tdi vw I have owned, loved my 530d msport e39 manual, loved the d5 s80 and love my current diesel triple...horses for courses I guess

CharlesdeGaulle

15,654 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I sat in a new C Class a couple of weeks ago. I had to drop my phone off and be escorted throughout in a 'black box' marketing reveal experience. Cheesy, but fun.

It's nowhere near as bad in the metal and plastic as it looks there, and they made a big thing about it being stylistically based on the S Class. It's an attractive car, but I just don't really feel much love for the screens. The tax-free and discount prices here won't be confirmed for another month, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quite a bit more than the alternatives I'm looking at. They will sell gazillions.



stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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CharlesdeGaulle said:




I sat in a new C Class a couple of weeks ago. I had to drop my phone off and be escorted throughout in a 'black box' marketing reveal experience. Cheesy, but fun.

It's nowhere near as bad in the metal and plastic as it looks there, and they made a big thing about it being stylistically based on the S Class. It's an attractive car, but I just don't really feel much love for the screens. The tax-free and discount prices here won't be confirmed for another month, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quite a bit more than the alternatives I'm looking at. They will sell gazillions.
I quite like the exterior, it's certainly not egregiously st like the new 3 series, but the interior would have to be much nicer in person that pictures to appeal and that steering wheel is like an autistic German dad's effort to be cool in front of his 13 year old son and his mates, a trait that's been surprisingly common with MB for a long time.

bolidemichael

4,172 posts

164 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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stickleback123 said:
A more sensible example would be two comparable cars, a 5 series and a Honda Legend




It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much sttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:11
That's really rather interesting. Thanks!

E30M3SE

8,427 posts

159 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Martin30 said:
Also have a lovely E30 brochure from the days when brochures were substantial, not QR code links to a page giving you 87 wheel choices. Likely to appeal to the same sort of deviant/threadist like myself who would want the roof bars - also free.

Martin.
If no one one else is up for it I would like that. Let me know p&p.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,362 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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bolidemichael said:
stickleback123 said:
A more sensible example would be two comparable cars, a 5 series and a Honda Legend




It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much sttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:11
That's really rather interesting. Thanks!
Indeed, and I must confess I didn't know that either. I only find it interesting because I'm some boring car geek like the rest of us here biggrin

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,362 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Macron said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I have never come across a 4 cylinder diesel that's nice to use.
FTFY.

Do we really need to go round this buoy again? Noise. Stink. Cancer. No amount of soundproofing stops any of that.
To be fair, I've driven a 330d and 335d and prefer those to a naff 4 cylinder petrol.

Timberwolf

5,169 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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mondayo said:
Also, I had a conversation with someone (probably not recently due to not getting out much) but it's the airport test. Where, can you get into a car in the dark and be able to drive it and operate it's controls easily and safely.
I found COMAND on the previous-generation C class such a mess of things in inexplicable places or controlled by bits of the car that are unexpectedly a touchpad that it not only failed the airport test on the way out, it was still failing the airport test a week later when I brought it back. And I say that as someone who in most unfamiliar cars usually has the Bluetooth linked, a destination in the satellite navigation and the dashboard lighting adjusted to a more pleasing colour before they've got their seatbelt on. The touchscreen might actually be an improvement here in that at least you know which bit of the car to poke to interact with it, rather than spending several minutes prodding the mysterious protrusion sprouting from the centre console to see whether it moves or if some part of it is touch sensitive.

The previous gen steering wheel was already pretty bad. As an example, every other car with both cruise control and a speed limiter has a button marked cruise and a button marked limiter. Mercedes instead have a toggle switch with two near-identical symbols, which even when you think you've deciphered it still ends up being a complete lottery as to which function it will engage: it could swap from limiter to cruise or vice versa, cancel everything related to speed control, or for some reason I never quite figured out make the car start accelerating past 120km/h despite the dashboard claiming the set speed is currently 110. I imagine with that new one you'd go to change the stereo volume and inadvertently Leroy Jenkins someone's World of Warcraft raid.

CharlesdeGaulle

15,654 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Whilst on the subject of general new-car appeal, diesels, small 4 cylinder petrols and so on, I find myself at the other end of my normal bottom-feeder barge-fandom as I investigate new offerings. I won't bang on too much because I have said much of this before, but I am looking at new cars. I need to be able to collect a couple of people with luggage from the airport, so am after something reasonably practical, despite some 'what-iffing' with hot hatches and the LC500 (80,000 Eur to you guv, OTR). No diesel, regardless of size, it must be petrol. E-cars won't work for me but a mild hybrid would.

The fact is that the modern cars I have looked at have all been attractively packaged and are well-equipped. The fuel economy is unimaginably good to those of us that think mid-20s is a result in what we have at the moment. But - and here's the rub - one is pretty much restricted to 4 cylinder turbo engines unless you're prepared to spend hefty sums of money. When it's your own cash the idea of speccing the (largely 6-cyl) bigger engines, along with all the options that we find desirable when they filter into our little cess-pit, is distinctly unappealing.

Sure, a company lease or whatever might sugar that pill for many (and VAT-free helps, along with around 15% discount on Volvo, BMW or MB; 12% on Lexus) but it's still a lot of my money. I do want all the usual packs, and I do want brown seats, but the man that buys my car when it enters Barge budget will bemoan the fact that the parsimonious original buyer didn't pay for the pano roof or HUD or upgraded audio.

Each time I've sat in a new car I've enjoyed going back to my old one, with all the comforts and gizmos I need. Which, by the way, I have been offered 1000 Eur for as p/x; WBAC valuation is 1500 quid, so more than I expected.

Still thinking what to do and there are lots of variables in my case, but the 'I must have this in a Barge' approach is less do-able when it's multiples of our measly little budget we're playing with. First world problems I guess!


stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Totally agree about options suddenly seeming far less important once they cost thousands of pounds rather than a £50 premium over another car you looked at last week. I helped a friend spec up a new Skoda Octavia vRS and was quite taken aback at how quickly even a very ordinary (and already well equipped) car could end up costing 20%+ more than the base car.

Even my MX5 ended up costing over a grand extra to come in an actual colour and have Apple Carplay, the only two options available. As much as I paid for my entire previous MX5.

All of which are worth the square root of nothing when you sell it on.

g3org3y

16,160 posts

154 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
bolidemichael said:
stickleback123 said:
A more sensible example would be two comparable cars, a 5 series and a Honda Legend




It's a big part of why, although superficially similar, the Legend looks much sttier than the 5 series in stance and proportion. Partly through association of the cab forward/FWD shape with lame povvo boxes, and partly because of the thrusting look a large dash to axle ratio gives a car.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:11
That's really rather interesting. Thanks!
Indeed, and I must confess I didn't know that either. I only find it interesting because I'm some boring car geek like the rest of us here biggrin
+1 yes

nblr

42 posts

20 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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stickleback123 said:
interesting stuff...
Just to third this, I’m a total aesthetic neanderthal but I love seeing a good explanation of things like this. When I had my F30 3 series I was parked next to my dad’s Skoda Octavia which was a similar age, colour, size and shape, but somehow the 3 series looked sleek and sporty, while the Skoda looked frumpy and dumpy. I put it down to styling in some way, but couldn’t pick out exactly why, and now realise this was a big part of it.

tobinen

7,373 posts

108 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
First world problems I guess!
I have probably missed the reason pages ago chap, but why are you looking at new cars?

You like the LS so why not keep it? It's a good car and does everything you want/need.

I recommend you save a heap on a new car and buy a W124 E500E which won't lose a centime and is LHD. And cool.




TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,362 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Whilst on the subject of general new-car appeal, diesels, small 4 cylinder petrols and so on, I find myself at the other end of my normal bottom-feeder barge-fandom as I investigate new offerings. I won't bang on too much because I have said much of this before, but I am looking at new cars. I need to be able to collect a couple of people with luggage from the airport, so am after something reasonably practical, despite some 'what-iffing' with hot hatches and the LC500 (80,000 Eur to you guv, OTR). No diesel, regardless of size, it must be petrol. E-cars won't work for me but a mild hybrid would.

The fact is that the modern cars I have looked at have all been attractively packaged and are well-equipped. The fuel economy is unimaginably good to those of us that think mid-20s is a result in what we have at the moment. But - and here's the rub - one is pretty much restricted to 4 cylinder turbo engines unless you're prepared to spend hefty sums of money. When it's your own cash the idea of speccing the (largely 6-cyl) bigger engines, along with all the options that we find desirable when they filter into our little cess-pit, is distinctly unappealing.

Sure, a company lease or whatever might sugar that pill for many (and VAT-free helps, along with around 15% discount on Volvo, BMW or MB; 12% on Lexus) but it's still a lot of my money. I do want all the usual packs, and I do want brown seats, but the man that buys my car when it enters Barge budget will bemoan the fact that the parsimonious original buyer didn't pay for the pano roof or HUD or upgraded audio.

Each time I've sat in a new car I've enjoyed going back to my old one, with all the comforts and gizmos I need. Which, by the way, I have been offered 1000 Eur for as p/x; WBAC valuation is 1500 quid, so more than I expected.

Still thinking what to do and there are lots of variables in my case, but the 'I must have this in a Barge' approach is less do-able when it's multiples of our measly little budget we're playing with. First world problems I guess!
Does it need to be a brand new car? Can it not be 2nd hand-but-not-that-old? If you want 6 cylinders or more than you are, naturally, limited to more premium brands and models, which of course means more cost. Finally....what's the budget?

stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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In barge related news my commitment to sell this S600 appears to have waned. I have just now ordered rear discs,pads, and wear sensors to get changed along with the front set I already have, a transmission filter, gasket, and plug thing ready to change the transmission oil, and 10L of MB approved oil and a filter ready for the next oil change (oil came with free delivery for the rest so worked out very cheap).

plasticpig

12,164 posts

188 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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stickleback123 said:
Totally agree about options suddenly seeming far less important once they cost thousands of pounds rather than a £50 premium over another car you looked at last week. I helped a friend spec up a new Skoda Octavia vRS and was quite taken aback at how quickly even a very ordinary (and already well equipped) car could end up costing 20%+ more than the base car.

Even my MX5 ended up costing over a grand extra to come in an actual colour and have Apple Carplay, the only two options available. As much as I paid for my entire previous MX5.

All of which are worth the square root of nothing when you sell it on.
Guess it depends on your must haves. My Disco 4 (purchased second hand) is poverty spec. cloth, manual seats, no nav, no front fogs, no reversing camera and no cruise etc. Thing is it only had 60000 miles on the clock. A same age top spec HSE with all the toys could be had for the same money but with 90000+ miles.

JeremyH5

683 posts

98 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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stickleback123 said:
In barge related news my commitment to sell this S600 appears to have waned. I have just now ordered rear discs,pads, and wear sensors to get changed along with the front set I already have, a transmission filter, gasket, and plug thing ready to change the transmission oil, and 10L of MB approved oil and a filter ready for the next oil change (oil came with free delivery for the rest so worked out very cheap).
So must we deduce that you are just a big tease? wink