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[tobinen]

I remember the family bus in 1982 was a Toyota Space Cruiser, just launched. It had a huge moonroof in the middle. Is a moonroof better than a sunshine roof?

[AlfaManc]

SpeckledJim said:

Go out the back door then. Don't want to ding it.

QP has sold.

[rejn]

bolidemichael said:

I love sunroofs, particularly glass roofs. Makes fir a pleasant ambience.

and i quite like the current trend for "panoramic" roofs. I quite like Harry Metcalfe's old Lamborghini with the big perspex roof too.

[Emeye]

I have love/hate relationship with sunroofs. Love them when they are working, but currently I am dealing with the consequences of my old XC90 flooding while parked over winter. An A-pillar sunroof vent pipe that channeled the water to another pipe on the way out of the car had popped out.

I wet-vacced out 3 buckets of water and had to spend ages removing the mould. Now a month later the electrics are still unhappy.

[r129sl]

I like sunroofs but never use the ones in my cars. They're pointless. Yet it is a matter of regret that my G-wagen lacks a sunshine roof. I prefer steel to glass: seems more pure and original. I'm not one for fancy new-fangled innovations.

[The spinner of plates]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Am I the only person who doesn't care much for sunroofs? Had one in the old 7 series and barely used it, I think I've used it in the Lexus once just to check it worked and that's it!

Yup, I actively avoid them.
They often rob headroom and the memories run deep regarding a 90s Renault Clio..
Of course it leaked.
But it also creaked in the cold.
And when open let in lots of lovely noise, but precious little air.

The hassle outweighs the minimal benefit for me.

[tobinen]

Yelowbird's bids have run out and rejn's S124 breaks through £6,000 with bids from the appropriately-named 124zuff

[Triumph Man]

bolidemichael said:

I love sunroofs, particularly glass roofs. Makes fir a pleasant ambience.

I love sunroofs too, my E39 has a coal hole black interior so the glass sunroof is very welcome! Only slight issue is that the mechanism encroaches on the headroom. I’m only 5’ 10” but all out of proportion so my body is long. Even with the seat at its lowest, my hair scrapes the headliner.

I was quite disappointed that because my E34 has A/C (that doesn’t work ) it doesn’t have a sunroof

[anonymous-user]

I avoid them due to leaks and complicated mechanisms that like to jam and brake. It irks me that the only thing not working properly on my S600 now is the front sunroof roof; it's reluctant to move all the way back and because Mercedes shouldn't be allowed computers it insists that you put the roof all the way back to "calibrate" something before it'll let you wind the sunshade back forward again, so I'm not stuck with the sunshade back until a kind soul with the Mercedes computer winds it back forward for me.

Hilariously I noticed that WorldBoss's S600 without the pano roof, that £110,000 super saloon with electrically adjustable everything, has a sunshade over the sunroof you move back and forth with your hand, like in Fred Flinstone's car; I think even my Rover 800s hand an electric sunshade!

[0a]

Dapster said:

Sorry for being a tragic geek but I have a period price list.

I can see metallic and alloys as the only factory extras which were £684 and £921 respectively. 5 speed manual was a no cost extra.

In 1991 a 300D would have cost you £25,750 or £27,355 with the 2 extras.

A 300E would have been £31,160, a 300E-24v £34,950 and a 300E 4-Matic £37,190 (all with alloys standard).

So basically that green 300D was an inflation adjusted £61,000 in 2021 money - I'm pretty sure that whatever reason persuaded someone to spend that kind of money on a manual diesel must have changed by the time the car arrived as as you say, it makes no sense.


Obviously if 5k is a bit too leggy for you, you can go with something with slightly fewer miles - 700 miles from new. RHD with km/h speedo (and strangely missing trim below the o/s headlight...)

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

Edited by Dapster on Thursday 4th March 14:11

Perfect thanks, so the 300e was another 21% on top!

[BigBen]

stickleback123 said:

Hilariously I noticed that WorldBoss's S600 without the pano roof, that £110,000 super saloon with electrically adjustable everything, has a sunshade over the sunroof you move back and forth with your hand, like in Fred Flinstone's car; I think even my Rover 800s hand an electric sunshade!

I think an electric sunshade is pretty rare.

The W140 S class has an electric sunroof with fabric to fill the sides when it is in the 'tilt' position.

[plasticpig]

The spinner of plates said:

Yup, I actively avoid them.
They often rob headroom and the memories run deep regarding a 90s Renault Clio..
Of course it leaked.
But it also creaked in the cold.
And when open let in lots of lovely noise, but precious little air.

The hassle outweighs the minimal benefit for me.

It's just one more thing to go wrong as far as I am concerned. Some modern cars don't even have a winder on the sunroof motor to close it manually.

[ian316]

r129sl said:

Webasto still do them: https://www.webasto.com/fileadmin/webasto_files/do...

I am slightly perplexed as to what buyer they are appealing to with their models. But then again, this is a broad church.

Probably the best way to get rid of a saggy head lining in an old XJ40

[rejn]

Having said I love sunroofs I really wish my integrale didn’t have one. It’s (obviously!) never worked and annoys me. Although it does have a party trick I found out once. I was pushing along faster than normal (late for a ferry back to the UK) and above a certain speed the sunroof popped open half an inch or so!!

[tog]

I like sunroofs, but not glass ones. Give me proper sliding steel sunroof please.

[LetsTryAgain]

I have a 211, as some of thread may be aware/remember/care, and I have my first child due in weeks few.
Imagine my surprise when I went to fit the ISOfix base and found out my E Class estate (possibly the most ‘family’ of family cars) doesn’t have ISOfix.

Absolute. aholes.

[r129sl]

LetsTryAgain said:

I have a 211, as some of thread may be aware/remember/care, and I have my first child due in weeks few.
Imagine my surprise when I went to fit the ISOfix base and found out my E Class estate (possibly the most ‘family’ of family cars) doesn’t have ISOfix.

Absolute. aholes.

It's a rook anyway. It adds very little by way of convenience and nothing by way of safety. It's all about selling child seats at a higher price. You can retrofit it easily and cheaply enough if you're bothered.

[XMified]

Biglips said:

I’m hoping thread will indulge me starting the weekend early as I have an appointment with the surgeons knife tomorrow

Don’t know if anyone is still in the market for a QP but if you are have a gander at this:

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/q...

Hope everything goes well Tom. Been off-thread for a couple of days and only just heard. Best of luck.

[anonymous-user]

LetsTryAgain said:

I have a 211, as some of thread may be aware/remember/care, and I have my first child due in weeks few.
Imagine my surprise when I went to fit the ISOfix base and found out my E Class estate (possibly the most ‘family’ of family cars) doesn’t have ISOfix.

Absolute. aholes.

£80 option, says the price list for my 2007 W211. I was surprised when my 2004 V70 didn't have it as standard, I think it was a £40 kit to add them.

As R129SL says it's not necessary really, but the holder of The Office of Mrs Stickleback at the time was too much of a slapdash incompetent to be trusted with a task as difficult as threading a seat belt through a gap; before I fitted them I'd often find the seats rocking almost completely insecured.

[XMified]

stickleback123 said:

LetsTryAgain said:

I have a 211, as some of thread may be aware/remember/care, and I have my first child due in weeks few.
Imagine my surprise when I went to fit the ISOfix base and found out my E Class estate (possibly the most ‘family’ of family cars) doesn’t have ISOfix.

Absolute. aholes.

£80 option, says the price list for my 2007 W211. I was surprised when my 2004 V70 didn't have it as standard, I think it was a £40 kit to add them.

As R129SL says it's not necessary really, but the incumbent Mrs Stickleback at the time was too much of a slapdash incompetent to be trusted with a task as difficult as threading a seat belt through a gap; before I fitted them I'd often find the seats rocking almost completely insecured.

Similar dismay in our household when it was discovered that our S211 didn't have it. I have recently reasoned that a seatbelt that is designed to deal with people weighing more than 100kg threaded through the structure of the child seat should comfortably protect a combined weight of less than 25kg....