Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 18]

[Derventio]

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

Oh and by the way, DO NOT BUY A DIESEL! It's that awful 1.9 Vauxhall/Fiat lump with all of the attendant cambelt and water pump shenanigans. It is also fitted with a particularly recalcitrant 6 speed gearbox, whereas the 1.6 petrol has a 5 speeder with quite a nice light action.

Assuming the water pump/cambelt is changed to schedule, what are the other issues with that engine?

There are a few well documented problems which relate to the 1.9-litre CDTi diesel engine, used in these, which can suffer from anything from failed water pumps that can throw the timing belt and wreck the engine (because of this a new water pump, belt, tensioner and pulleys are recommended every 40,000 miles), to failed inlet manifolds, broken off swirl flaps and blocked DPFs, all of which can be very expensive to repair.

With regards to the 6 speed gearbox that is only available with the diesel engine, perhaps the problems are better described here: https://www.fiatforum.com/sedici/

The 1.6 petrol may not be as quick but the economy is pretty similar, (also bear in mind that petrol is cheaper than diesel per litre), they are far more reliable and they are actually a pretty sweet little lump.

[Rubins4]

Macron said:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2020091035...

Anyone feeling as brave as Ian? It's 2/3 what others want...

There's one parked up on the road near me, available for 50% less than this. Looks like a right mutt though, and I'm not sure what spec it is.

[21st Century Man]

Made in Tuscaloosa Alabama, to Chrysler standards. Awful things, just awful.

[ferrisbueller]

Derventio said:

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

Oh and by the way, DO NOT BUY A DIESEL! It's that awful 1.9 Vauxhall/Fiat lump with all of the attendant cambelt and water pump shenanigans. It is also fitted with a particularly recalcitrant 6 speed gearbox, whereas the 1.6 petrol has a 5 speeder with quite a nice light action.

Assuming the water pump/cambelt is changed to schedule, what are the other issues with that engine?

There are a few well documented problems which relate to the 1.9-litre CDTi diesel engine, used in these, which can suffer from anything from failed water pumps that can throw the timing belt and wreck the engine (because of this a new water pump, belt, tensioner and pulleys are recommended every 40,000 miles), to failed inlet manifolds, broken off swirl flaps and blocked DPFs, all of which can be very expensive to repair.

With regards to the 6 speed gearbox that is only available with the diesel engine, perhaps the problems are better described here: https://www.fiatforum.com/sedici/

The 1.6 petrol may not be as quick but the economy is pretty similar, (also bear in mind that petrol is cheaper than diesel per litre), they are far more reliable and they are actually a pretty sweet little lump.

The same engine in other GM applications has a cambelt/water pump interval of 72-90k miles I think? Swirl flaps are on the 16v/150bhp version. The Sedici/SX4 have the 8v/120?

Been browsing SX4s this afternoon.

[Bonefish Blues]

Be careful in SX4-land. Many (most) are 2wd only, rather than the Sedicis, all of which are full-fat.

[anonymous-user]

21st Century Man said:

Made in Tuscaloosa Alabama, to Chrysler standards. Awful things, just awful.

Everything about that looks more Chrysler than MB, from the interior styling, to the shiny leather, to the cheap looking materials. It's very reminiscent of the late 90s Grand Cherokee.



Absolutely dismal.

[5 In a Row]

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

Oh and by the way, DO NOT BUY A DIESEL! It's that awful 1.9 Vauxhall/Fiat lump with all of the attendant cambelt and water pump shenanigans. It is also fitted with a particularly recalcitrant 6 speed gearbox, whereas the 1.6 petrol has a 5 speeder with quite a nice light action.

Assuming the water pump/cambelt is changed to schedule, what are the other issues with that engine?

There are a few well documented problems which relate to the 1.9-litre CDTi diesel engine, used in these, which can suffer from anything from failed water pumps that can throw the timing belt and wreck the engine (because of this a new water pump, belt, tensioner and pulleys are recommended every 40,000 miles), to failed inlet manifolds, broken off swirl flaps and blocked DPFs, all of which can be very expensive to repair.

With regards to the 6 speed gearbox that is only available with the diesel engine, perhaps the problems are better described here: https://www.fiatforum.com/sedici/

The 1.6 petrol may not be as quick but the economy is pretty similar, (also bear in mind that petrol is cheaper than diesel per litre), they are far more reliable and they are actually a pretty sweet little lump.

The same engine in other GM applications has a cambelt/water pump interval of 72-90k miles I think? Swirl flaps are on the 16v/150bhp version. The Sedici/SX4 have the 8v/120?

Been browsing SX4s this afternoon.

I had 2 Stilo JTDs over about 110k miles and the engines were fine, first one was bought new and taken to 58k and the 2nd was bought at about 80k and taken to 128k. They were both the 8v version in 115 and 80BHP forms.

They did have a healthy appetite for boost valves but that was due to poor positioning, they were tucked away below the nearside headlight so if you went through a big enough puddle fairly quickly they got drenched and were then prone to throw a strop each time they got wet, albeit a brief lift of the throttle sorted it out.
Not handy if you were mid-overtake though.

[BrettMRC]

stickleback123 said:

21st Century Man said:

Made in Tuscaloosa Alabama, to Chrysler standards. Awful things, just awful.

Everything about that looks more Chrysler than MB, from the interior styling, to the shiny leather, to the cheap looking materials. It's very reminiscent of the late 90s Grand Cherokee.



Absolutely dismal.

I really liked mine, (ML320) and was looking for a '55 when I ended up with the X5 4.6is.
The one above was for sale on car and classic for ages IIRC, I had a chat with the seller and he withdrew it due to some issue with the engine/model not being quite right or something? (Could be wrong, it was 3 or 4 years ago now)
Either way, if you want something with a vast load space for pennies and don't mind daft running costs they are worth a look.

[Dapster]

stickleback123 said:

Everything about that looks more Chrysler than MB, from the interior styling, to the shiny leather, to the cheap looking materials. It's very reminiscent of the late 90s Grand Cherokee.



Absolutely dismal.

Plus the fact that that one is being sold by you-know-who from you-know-where..... Pole. Barge.

[Derventio]

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

Oh and by the way, DO NOT BUY A DIESEL! It's that awful 1.9 Vauxhall/Fiat lump with all of the attendant cambelt and water pump shenanigans. It is also fitted with a particularly recalcitrant 6 speed gearbox, whereas the 1.6 petrol has a 5 speeder with quite a nice light action.

Assuming the water pump/cambelt is changed to schedule, what are the other issues with that engine?

There are a few well documented problems which relate to the 1.9-litre CDTi diesel engine, used in these, which can suffer from anything from failed water pumps that can throw the timing belt and wreck the engine (because of this a new water pump, belt, tensioner and pulleys are recommended every 40,000 miles), to failed inlet manifolds, broken off swirl flaps and blocked DPFs, all of which can be very expensive to repair.

With regards to the 6 speed gearbox that is only available with the diesel engine, perhaps the problems are better described here: https://www.fiatforum.com/sedici/

The 1.6 petrol may not be as quick but the economy is pretty similar, (also bear in mind that petrol is cheaper than diesel per litre), they are far more reliable and they are actually a pretty sweet little lump.

The same engine in other GM applications has a cambelt/water pump interval of 72-90k miles I think? Swirl flaps are on the 16v/150bhp version. The Sedici/SX4 have the 8v/120?

Been browsing SX4s this afternoon.

I still wouldn't bother with the diesel. Why would you go for a more unreliable, noisy, more expensive to service diesel over a simple, quieter, smoother, better sounding 1600 petrol when the difference in mpg is negligible? the extra performance argument doesn't really wash as if it is performance you are after, you are looking at entirely the wrong car.

[W00DY]

2strokebroke said:

W00DY said:

Beautiful Avantime for sale on Autoste. £8.5k, but a great colour and a full refresh in December at a cost of £6.5k

Got a link?

It's in the For Sale section of Autoste which you need to be a member to see and PH doesn't much care for the links anyway due to swearyness.

[RicksAlfas]

None barge chat.

The 8 valve 1.9JTD engine is pretty sturdy. Water pump can be a weak spot. I had one seize as I was selling it- it was idling away as the money was being counted! EGR valves clog up too.

We have a later S-Cross which is very similar to the SX4. 1.6 twin cam. No turbo, no stop-start, no nothing. Sweet as a nut. Fantastic in bad weather with winter tyres and hugely practical at all times. Highly recommended.

[Derventio]

RicksAlfas said:

None barge chat.
We have a later S-Cross which is very similar to the SX4. 1.6 twin cam. No turbo, no stop-start, no nothing. Sweet as a nut. Fantastic in bad weather with winter tyres and hugely practical at all times. Highly recommended.

Same engine as the 1.6 Sedici I had.

Anyway, enough about 1.9 diesels. Back to bargain barges. I think this sits quite well within thread ethos/budget. No sign of iron oxide woes in the MOT history, a goodly amount of cylinders and performance too.


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103049...

This is most definitely a barge:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103260...

Edited by Derventio on Thursday 8th April 15:21

[ferrisbueller]

Derventio said:

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

ferrisbueller said:

Derventio said:

Oh and by the way, DO NOT BUY A DIESEL! It's that awful 1.9 Vauxhall/Fiat lump with all of the attendant cambelt and water pump shenanigans. It is also fitted with a particularly recalcitrant 6 speed gearbox, whereas the 1.6 petrol has a 5 speeder with quite a nice light action.

Assuming the water pump/cambelt is changed to schedule, what are the other issues with that engine?

There are a few well documented problems which relate to the 1.9-litre CDTi diesel engine, used in these, which can suffer from anything from failed water pumps that can throw the timing belt and wreck the engine (because of this a new water pump, belt, tensioner and pulleys are recommended every 40,000 miles), to failed inlet manifolds, broken off swirl flaps and blocked DPFs, all of which can be very expensive to repair.

With regards to the 6 speed gearbox that is only available with the diesel engine, perhaps the problems are better described here: https://www.fiatforum.com/sedici/

The 1.6 petrol may not be as quick but the economy is pretty similar, (also bear in mind that petrol is cheaper than diesel per litre), they are far more reliable and they are actually a pretty sweet little lump.

The same engine in other GM applications has a cambelt/water pump interval of 72-90k miles I think? Swirl flaps are on the 16v/150bhp version. The Sedici/SX4 have the 8v/120?

Been browsing SX4s this afternoon.

I still wouldn't bother with the diesel. Why would you go for a more unreliable, noisy, more expensive to service diesel over a simple, quieter, smoother, better sounding 1600 petrol when the difference in mpg is negligible? the extra performance argument doesn't really wash as if it is performance you are after, you are looking at entirely the wrong car.

I'm not a diesel fan in general but that 120 engine has its merits. Some of the reliability stuff you cited doesn't seem to be representative for this engine AFAIK and IME it does 60mpg+ in a Saab 9-3 platform so should at least match that here.

I would, of course, much prefer a petrol. I've always been fond of the Ignis, Swift et al but never sampled an SX4 and had very little awareness of the Sedici. I just need something reliable to soak up 8k or so miles of humdrum mileage at minimal net cost with an entry point of circa £2k.

The current scope of my searches, which range from non-thread small hatches (mainly Japanese) to mid-thread semi barges (Swedish) must befuddle the search algorithms.

[Bonefish Blues]

Have a wander around Fiat Forums' Sedici section. Two posters who have run the Sedici have both actively avoided the diesel on the basis of a decent amount of research pre purchase. Your conclusions may be different.

[ferrisbueller]

Bonefish Blues said:

Have a wander around Fiat Forums' Sedici section. Two posters who have run the Sedici have both actively avoided the diesel on the basis of a decent amount of research pre purchase. Your conclusions may be different.

Thanks. Will do some reading this evening.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Derventio said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103049...

This is most definitely a barge:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103260...

That CLK looks a reasonable option, MOT history is pretty clean too. Nice find.

[5 In a Row]

Derventio said:

Anyway, enough about 1.9 diesels. Back to bargain barges. I think this sits quite well within thread ethos/budget. No sign of iron oxide woes in the MOT history, a goodly amount of cylinders and performance too.


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103049...

Edited by Derventio on Thursday 8th April 15:21

I saw one of these in Windermere at the weekend, roof down, lowered to the floor, grey wheels and full of young lads. It was clearly a V8 as he gunned it on the way past but oh what a fall from grace

[carinaman]

W00DY said:

That is stunning.





Excellent headlining action

I think that easily surpasses a month's worth of Friday fluff.

[Krikkit]

I'm going to take a stab at that being an S600 of some form? Bloody lovely work.