ANPR - Have Your Say
Discussion
Cold said:
It's an odd concept when the very people we, as a society, employ to take care of all the mundane things about life including our safety, now consider that very society to be so untrustworthy that it needs to be constantly watched.
I don't think they consider society as a whole to be untrustworthy. i think improvements in technology mean that their detection methods are improving.It's a bit like saying that anybody who has CCTV or a dashcam is a paranoid curtain-twitcher.
Countdown said:
citizensm1th said:
Anpr could very easily be turned into an absolute nightmare for the police if a determined group of people put their minds to it.
A roll of black electrical tape and you can change the appearance of random number plates very easily.
If that were to happen across the country think of the police hours tied up.
I'd be surprised if most people cared enough to go to that amount of effort or take the risk of being caught and done for PCoJ (or whatever)A roll of black electrical tape and you can change the appearance of random number plates very easily.
If that were to happen across the country think of the police hours tied up.
citizensm1th said:
Countdown said:
citizensm1th said:
Anpr could very easily be turned into an absolute nightmare for the police if a determined group of people put their minds to it.
A roll of black electrical tape and you can change the appearance of random number plates very easily.
If that were to happen across the country think of the police hours tied up.
I'd be surprised if most people cared enough to go to that amount of effort or take the risk of being caught and done for PCoJ (or whatever)A roll of black electrical tape and you can change the appearance of random number plates very easily.
If that were to happen across the country think of the police hours tied up.
The location history generated as someone drives from one camera to another is personal data.
I don't have a problem with that existing in a computer somewhere, ultimately my mobile phone could give the same data in far more detail.
What I do have an objection to is access to that data by a police force/other orgainsation without due cause or reasonable suspicion a non-trivial crime has been committed. I'd expect similar tests to be met to the access of said mobile phone data.
I think most people would start to be a bit miffed if during a routine traffic stop (in non-covid times) they had to account for why they took one route vs another because it took the officers fancy.
I don't have a problem with that existing in a computer somewhere, ultimately my mobile phone could give the same data in far more detail.
What I do have an objection to is access to that data by a police force/other orgainsation without due cause or reasonable suspicion a non-trivial crime has been committed. I'd expect similar tests to be met to the access of said mobile phone data.
I think most people would start to be a bit miffed if during a routine traffic stop (in non-covid times) they had to account for why they took one route vs another because it took the officers fancy.
Creep is inevitable. Remember the motorway cameras that would only ever enforce variable speed limits? Remember CS gas sprays that were only to be used to save lives (and Tasers have gone the same way) being regularly used without issue or comeback?
If you think that increased ANPR surveillance will benefit you then you are naive.
If you think that increased ANPR surveillance will benefit you then you are naive.
Baldchap said:
While I agree with your post in principle, I couldn't resist poking fun at this bit:
No it isn't. It's a reportable offence. You don't get a criminal record for speeding. seveb said:
...driving a few MPH over the limit. Hardly a crime
It is literally a criminal offence. AKA a crime. 
oceanview said:
How come they're not used to pick up untaxed/no MOT/insurance?
I know the scrotes' wont have it registered to them so wont help catching them but, the f
kwits who just don't bother with the costs (but vehicle registered properly) then they soon be picked up and dealt with.
I drive a lot of cars that would show up as not insured or taxed ( I have trade plates ) and the ANPR on traffic cars is not always on ( or it does not work?) you can be sure the scotes all know this already from trying it and not getting caught!I know the scrotes' wont have it registered to them so wont help catching them but, the f
kwits who just don't bother with the costs (but vehicle registered properly) then they soon be picked up and dealt with.rallycross said:
oceanview said:
How come they're not used to pick up untaxed/no MOT/insurance?
I know the scrotes' wont have it registered to them so wont help catching them but, the fkwits who just don't bother with the costs (but vehicle registered properly) then they soon be picked up and dealt with.
I drive a lot of cars that would show up as not insured or taxed ( I have trade plates ) and the ANPR on traffic cars is not always on ( or it does not work?) you can be sure the scotes all know this already from trying it and not getting caught!I know the scrotes' wont have it registered to them so wont help catching them but, the f
kwits who just don't bother with the costs (but vehicle registered properly) then they soon be picked up and dealt with.As you well know, to obtain, and retain, a set is expensive and very much a 'red tape' exercise.
Evanivitch said:
donteatpeople said:
Evanivitch said:
So by that definition, government recording of your movements outside of your own 4 walls, not necessarily even including garden would be okay. That would include tracking your movements and who you meet and where in public. Your associates and your routine.
That scenario would have zero impact on my life. Where I go, when I go there and who I meet are all freedoms that are protected in law. That's the problem with these scare stories, we live in a democracy. I'm confident far more people would object to a genuine, permanent loss of liberty than would object to just laws being enforced effectively.
donteatpeople said:
Temporary measures introduced by a democratically elected government. If the measures last long enough we will have an opportunity to vote the government out and the measures with them.
That's the problem with these scare stories, we live in a democracy. I'm confident far more people would object to a genuine, permanent loss of liberty than would object to just laws being enforced effectively.
"A person is smart, people are dumb"That's the problem with these scare stories, we live in a democracy. I'm confident far more people would object to a genuine, permanent loss of liberty than would object to just laws being enforced effectively.
We all have different priorities at election time. I'm almost certain that a few gold coins in everyone's pocket, a couple of reassuring statements about terrorism, a dash of sovereignty and civil liberties won't even be considered a TV debate topic.
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