ANPR - Have Your Say
Discussion
deckster said:
saaby93 said:
Prominent eurosceptic, ex-chairman of the ERG, resigned from the cabinet because BoJo wasn't right-wing enough.Also, outspoken critic of Covid lockdowns which is where I guess the above quote came from.
saaby93 said:
deckster said:
Important, well known to those who know him, purveyor of parrots
Evanivitch said:
"A person is smart, people are dumb"
We all have different priorities at election time. I'm almost certain that a few gold coins in everyone's pocket, a couple of reassuring statements about terrorism, a dash of sovereignty and civil liberties won't even be considered a TV debate topic.
The government even suggesting removing freedom of movement or association would be front page news overnight. I can see no conceivable way of a UK government quietly erasing human rights legislation.We all have different priorities at election time. I'm almost certain that a few gold coins in everyone's pocket, a couple of reassuring statements about terrorism, a dash of sovereignty and civil liberties won't even be considered a TV debate topic.
donteatpeople said:
The government even suggesting removing freedom of movement or association would be front page news overnight. I can see no conceivable way of a UK government quietly erasing human rights legislation.
And yet how many people actually understood, let alone cared when Theresa May commited to a sustained campaign to have backdoor access to commercial encryption? It was all under the cover of fighting terrorism.Evanivitch said:
And yet how many people actually understood, let alone cared when Theresa May commited to a sustained campaign to have backdoor access to commercial encryption? It was all under the cover of fighting terrorism.
I remember front-page articles in all the papers, much debate in the commons, and ultimately the failure of the policy. Sounds like a pretty robust form of democracy to me.deckster said:
Evanivitch said:
And yet how many people actually understood, let alone cared when Theresa May commited to a sustained campaign to have backdoor access to commercial encryption? It was all under the cover of fighting terrorism.
I remember front-page articles in all the papers, much debate in the commons, and ultimately the failure of the policy. Sounds like a pretty robust form of democracy to me.saaby93 said:
Volvolover said:
944 Man said:
If you think that increased ANPR surveillance will benefit you then you are naive.
How do you propose it will disadvantage a law abiding citizen ?I'm still waiting to be told the disadvantages of more ANPR to a law abiding citizen, theres a lot of smart arse comments telling me i cant think or suggesting maths theories but nobody has mentioned anything that will tangibly diminish my lifestyle. I'm open minded and willing to accept it may have a negative effect but i'd need pointing in the right direction.......
Background is in finance and IT and I deal with 'big data' fyi
Volvolover said:
Its pretty much self determintion, you abide by the law or you dont.........
I'm still waiting to be told the disadvantages of more ANPR to a law abiding citizen, theres a lot of smart arse comments telling me i cant think or suggesting maths theories but nobody has mentioned anything that will tangibly diminish my lifestyle. I'm open minded and willing to accept it may have a negative effect but i'd need pointing in the right direction.......
Background is in finance and IT and I deal with 'big data' fyi
Indeed. I simply don't recognise this dystopian nightmare that other people seem to be living in. And in fact, I'm pretty sure that almost everybody's lives are better in every measurable way than they were 100, or 50, or even 30 years ago so whilst purely on principle I'm not a huge fan of the proliferation of CCTV/ANPR etc., I really don't see that there has been any discernible negative impact.I'm still waiting to be told the disadvantages of more ANPR to a law abiding citizen, theres a lot of smart arse comments telling me i cant think or suggesting maths theories but nobody has mentioned anything that will tangibly diminish my lifestyle. I'm open minded and willing to accept it may have a negative effect but i'd need pointing in the right direction.......
Background is in finance and IT and I deal with 'big data' fyi
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
swisstoni said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
The way you walk is as unique as your finger print. They are developing software that gets around the problem of people covering their faces to avoid facial recognition.
The software can also detect somebody that is trying to change their natural gait.
It works perfectly at the moment on a one to one basis, but is still being developed for crowded environments. It's currently 84% effective in a crowd, especially the gait adjusters.
I'm a womans's man. No time to talk.The software can also detect somebody that is trying to change their natural gait.
It works perfectly at the moment on a one to one basis, but is still being developed for crowded environments. It's currently 84% effective in a crowd, especially the gait adjusters.
deckster said:
Volvolover said:
Its pretty much self determintion, you abide by the law or you dont.........
I'm still waiting to be told the disadvantages of more ANPR to a law abiding citizen, theres a lot of smart arse comments telling me i cant think or suggesting maths theories but nobody has mentioned anything that will tangibly diminish my lifestyle. I'm open minded and willing to accept it may have a negative effect but i'd need pointing in the right direction.......
Background is in finance and IT and I deal with 'big data' fyi
Indeed. I simply don't recognise this dystopian nightmare that other people seem to be living in. And in fact, I'm pretty sure that almost everybody's lives are better in every measurable way than they were 100, or 50, or even 30 years ago so whilst purely on principle I'm not a huge fan of the proliferation of CCTV/ANPR etc., I really don't see that there has been any discernible negative impact.I'm still waiting to be told the disadvantages of more ANPR to a law abiding citizen, theres a lot of smart arse comments telling me i cant think or suggesting maths theories but nobody has mentioned anything that will tangibly diminish my lifestyle. I'm open minded and willing to accept it may have a negative effect but i'd need pointing in the right direction.......
Background is in finance and IT and I deal with 'big data' fyi
Firstly, we all have personal information. DNA and fingerprints are a good example. If you've done nothing wrong and you intend to do nothing wrong, why not volunteer your DNA/fingerprints for permanent record with the Police? It wouldn't effect your day to day.
But just like I don't have an issue with the police taking DNA and finger prints of suspects and then disposing of it accordingly, I don't have a problem with ANPR data of suspects and being held and disposed of accordingly.
What I do have an issue is widespread recording of everyone's movements, and holding that data for 12 months. Too broad, too long.
Toltec said:
deckster said:
Evanivitch said:
And yet how many people actually understood, let alone cared when Theresa May commited to a sustained campaign to have backdoor access to commercial encryption? It was all under the cover of fighting terrorism.
I remember front-page articles in all the papers, much debate in the commons, and ultimately the failure of the policy. Sounds like a pretty robust form of democracy to me.I am a whistleblower (rightly, in this example) revealing some horrific behaviour. I somehow (I don’t believe this is possible) keep my communication logs clean so that there is no record that I am the whistleblower.
A trivial analysis of the ANPR logs show that my car and a journalist’s car attended a section of road from different directions and then each exited the same side they entered 20 minutes later, at the same time as each other, on five separate occasions over three months but never visited that section of road otherwise.
A trivial analysis of the ANPR logs show that my car and a journalist’s car attended a section of road from different directions and then each exited the same side they entered 20 minutes later, at the same time as each other, on five separate occasions over three months but never visited that section of road otherwise.
Evanivitch said:
2 points really.
Firstly, we all have personal information. DNA and fingerprints are a good example. If you've done nothing wrong and you intend to do nothing wrong, why not volunteer your DNA/fingerprints for permanent record with the Police? It wouldn't effect your day to day.
But just like I don't have an issue with the police taking DNA and finger prints of suspects and then disposing of it accordingly, I don't have a problem with ANPR data of suspects and being held and disposed of accordingly.
What I do have an issue is widespread recording of everyone's movements, and holding that data for 12 months. Too broad, too long.
I think most of us are in agreement here. Lots of people are uncomfortable with unfettered information gathering and retention.Firstly, we all have personal information. DNA and fingerprints are a good example. If you've done nothing wrong and you intend to do nothing wrong, why not volunteer your DNA/fingerprints for permanent record with the Police? It wouldn't effect your day to day.
But just like I don't have an issue with the police taking DNA and finger prints of suspects and then disposing of it accordingly, I don't have a problem with ANPR data of suspects and being held and disposed of accordingly.
What I do have an issue is widespread recording of everyone's movements, and holding that data for 12 months. Too broad, too long.
That is however a position of principle: I don't like it. I am uncomfortable with it.
What I take exception to though is the assertion by some on this thread that somehow we are not free; that we are unable to go about our lives without interference from the state, or in some way prohibited from carrying out activities. That, I would contend, is patent nonsense. The worst I've heard is people saying that with blanket ANPR (which we don't have) if it were somehow subject to some deep data analysis (which it isn't) might somehow mean that people were pinged for speeding (which they aren't, and is actually an incredibly hard thing to derive from the datasets even if they existed, which they don't). And even if all that were true - if more people being done for speeding is the worst that we can come up with, that's a pretty weak argument.
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