ANPR - Have Your Say
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
Really can't get worked up about the fact that they know where VRMs have been.
I agree they should keep data secure, but so what that they hold it.
If you're not doing anything wrong, they cant send you a fine. If I don't want to pay a fine I won't drive over the speed limit. If I drove at 80 or 90mph and get a fine through the post then I've nothing to blame but myself.
But to be honest, I stopped speeding when I realised it made no difference to my journey times when I'd just get held up in traffic congestion or dozens of red traffic lights. It amuses me when someone goes flying past, just for us to catch him back up again when he's sat waiting at the next junction. You cant turn a 2 hour car journey into 20 minutes, if you're lucky you can only shave off 3 or 4 minutes and I cant really do anything with that 3 minutes.
But to be honest, I stopped speeding when I realised it made no difference to my journey times when I'd just get held up in traffic congestion or dozens of red traffic lights. It amuses me when someone goes flying past, just for us to catch him back up again when he's sat waiting at the next junction. You cant turn a 2 hour car journey into 20 minutes, if you're lucky you can only shave off 3 or 4 minutes and I cant really do anything with that 3 minutes.
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
As I’ve explained and showed you the ICO guidance for .
LunarOne said:
I don't like it at all. I don't like being on CCTV everywhere I go, and I don't like my journeys being tracked. I think the germans have the right attitude, with being able to opt out of having their properties appearing on google streetview. It's not even the thin end of the wedge any longer. Facial recognition, ANPR and CCTV everywhere mean we're already on the verge of very Minority Report style authoritarian policing. It has got to be put a stop to. There was once a thing called civil liberty, and that's gone.
Well Said !! I Do Not like it either. Volvolover said:
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
As I’ve explained and showed you the ICO guidance for .
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
Really can't get worked up about the fact that they know where VRMs have been.
I agree they should keep data secure, but so what that they hold it.
You're really not understanding how data is collated in context and how GDPR acknowledges that.
Evanivitch said:
Volvolover said:
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
As I’ve explained and showed you the ICO guidance for .
They already know who the keeper is without ANPR.
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
Really can't get worked up about the fact that they know where VRMs have been.
I agree they should keep data secure, but so what that they hold it.
You're really not understanding how data is collated in context and how GDPR acknowledges that.
Evanivitch said:
Volvolover said:
Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
Evanivitch said:
Every day a journey said:
Might be a moot point, but a vehicles number plate doesn't ever 'belong' to us.
Neither do most email addresses or phone numbers, but they're still covered under GDPR. It's not about ownership. They have no idea who is in the vehicle at the time, just that there is a registered keeper (as required by statute) for the vehicle assigned that VRM.
What they have recorded is the VRM's movement.
As I’ve explained and showed you the ICO guidance for .
Edited by Volvolover on Tuesday 2nd March 18:15
vonhosen said:
I do understand it, but the whole point is they are not tracking identifiable individual's movements, the rest is fluff. Great it's subject to GDPR, great that puts responsibilities & limitations on them in relation to securing that data etc, but they still aren't tracking the movement's of identifiable individual's with it & that's what's important.
So what point is surveillance okay by you? Because you seem to suggest that anything short of personalised trackers is okay. Which is an extremely unpleasant position to hold, and is why our government can continue to erode personal freedoms and privacy because it seems the electorate are entirely ignorant of what the law actually does to protect them. Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
I do understand it, but the whole point is they are not tracking identifiable individual's movements, the rest is fluff. Great it's subject to GDPR, great that puts responsibilities & limitations on them in relation to securing that data etc, but they still aren't tracking the movement's of identifiable individual's with it & that's what's important.
So what point is surveillance okay by you? Because you seem to suggest that anything short of personalised trackers is okay. Which is an extremely unpleasant position to hold, and is why our government can continue to erode personal freedoms and privacy because it seems the electorate are entirely ignorant of what the law actually does to protect them. Evanivitch said:
vonhosen said:
I do understand it, but the whole point is they are not tracking identifiable individual's movements, the rest is fluff. Great it's subject to GDPR, great that puts responsibilities & limitations on them in relation to securing that data etc, but they still aren't tracking the movement's of identifiable individual's with it & that's what's important.
So what point is surveillance okay by you? Because you seem to suggest that anything short of personalised trackers is okay. Which is an extremely unpleasant position to hold, and is why our government can continue to erode personal freedoms and privacy because it seems the electorate are entirely ignorant of what the law actually does to protect them. A bit more ANPR isn’t going to affect me one bit compared to what else is gathered
neutral 3 said:
LunarOne said:
I don't like it at all. I don't like being on CCTV everywhere I go, and I don't like my journeys being tracked. I think the germans have the right attitude, with being able to opt out of having their properties appearing on google streetview. It's not even the thin end of the wedge any longer. Facial recognition, ANPR and CCTV everywhere mean we're already on the verge of very Minority Report style authoritarian policing. It has got to be put a stop to. There was once a thing called civil liberty, and that's gone.
Well Said !! I Do Not like it either. ddom said:
Volvolover said:
So we all want more police resource across the board but don't like the fact people breaking the law are made to pay in fines.......
How simplistic. You asked for data, its back there. Care to answer in between your rants? What’s the question?
I saw the total of fines collected but isn’t that just a cheaper way of collecting the fines that would otherwise be collected by policemen if there were infinite resources?
Has ANPR made people commit more crimes or helped us (society) detect them better?
Edited by Volvolover on Tuesday 2nd March 21:04
Volvolover said:
There’s some people on here who appear to think that if they protect their data they can somehow be ‘off grid’ etc
There’s an old spy trick that the best place to hide from someone looking for you is in a crowd
The only difference isThere’s an old spy trick that the best place to hide from someone looking for you is in a crowd
When you are one line of 65535 other lines of captured VRN data, you don't 'blend in' because you can be found with CTRL-F (putting it in the simplest terms)
Then you are one person, standing out like a neon beacon, and not only that, with ANPR data you can highlight the person you are looking for, and then see everywhere they stood and everywhere they went and at what time within that 'crowd'
I'm for ANPR to track people who think the rules don't apply to them, to highlight people with drugs markers, to disrupt criminal activity and to help with investigations into serious crimes.
One thing to note, is ANPR is only as effective as the data it captures - if i am intending to commit a murder or run drugs up and down the country, i'd probably get some plates printed from an identical make/model/year/colour car, stick to the speed limit and be happy that i've at least removed that element from any investigation.
or... wait for a foggy night
Volvolover said:
I’d suggest that just like Brexit or BLM if we hated the data collection so badly we’d make an issue of it and the current government would be voted out based on it.
A bit more ANPR isn’t going to affect me one bit compared to what else is gathered
Thankfully some of us do care enough. Which is why South Wales Police have stopped using face recognition software indiscriminately and Theresa May didn't pass her encryption busting legislation in 5 years. And also why GDPR is some of the most robust data laws in the world when it's not brushed aside by law enforcement agencies.A bit more ANPR isn’t going to affect me one bit compared to what else is gathered
"A bit more ANPR" is laughable. You don't know how much ANPR is out there because they refuse to publish it. So you have no idea how much there is now, and how much more there could be. Truly, ignorance is bliss.
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