'Blasphemous but maybe just perfect' engine swap thread
Discussion
Turn7 said:
Magnum 475 said:
I don't know if it's possible, but I fancy a Caterham with the Audi RS3 five cylinder engine.
Something tells me that this would be epic fun.
I know of a Caterham with the Honda lump in it........Something tells me that this would be epic fun.
Personally I like the old Ford v6 cologne engines in a series landrover. Useful amount of poke without getting silly and sits in the engine bay better than the ubiquitous rover v8.
Always had a hankering for a series 1 mg and I reckon the cologne would be a belter in that, low down lazy torque and a fairly decent soundtrack
samoht said:
It's called a Donkervoort D8, and it sounds like it must be fab
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/donker...
HOW MUCH?! https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/donker...
kiseca said:
I think the V8 in an RX-7, mentioned earlier, is a good one. Blasphemous because it goes against the whole lightweight, balanced design philosophy of the car, but perfect because now you get a gorgeous car with a powerful, reliable engine that doesn't need frequent rebuilds.... and may be more economical...
then there's the real kicker - a SBC in an RX7/8 wouldn't actually incur too much of a weight penalty. Win/WinAs an side in Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift there is a Mustang powered by an in-line 6 Datsun lump
MGB with a Mazda MX5 Engine.
Frontline Developments MGB 50LE. Factory supplied, 2.0 litre, 4 cylinder aluminium engine from Mazda. Power: 214bhp @ 7200rpm, max torque: 236 Nm, 0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds, top speed: 160 mph. Not cheap though, prices start from GBP 52,700. However, there is a lot of development and engineering that’s gone into it.
By comparison, the most powerful 4 cylinder MGB GT
Power 98bhp @ 5,400rpm, Max: 110 Nm, 0-60 12.1 seconds. Top speed 105
Frontline Developments MGB 50LE. Factory supplied, 2.0 litre, 4 cylinder aluminium engine from Mazda. Power: 214bhp @ 7200rpm, max torque: 236 Nm, 0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds, top speed: 160 mph. Not cheap though, prices start from GBP 52,700. However, there is a lot of development and engineering that’s gone into it.
By comparison, the most powerful 4 cylinder MGB GT
Power 98bhp @ 5,400rpm, Max: 110 Nm, 0-60 12.1 seconds. Top speed 105
daqinggregg said:
MGB with a Mazda MX5 Engine.
Frontline Developments MGB 50LE. Factory supplied, 2.0 litre, 4 cylinder aluminium engine from Mazda. Power: 214bhp @ 7200rpm, max torque: 236 Nm, 0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds, top speed: 160 mph. Not cheap though, prices start from GBP 52,700. However, there is a lot of development and engineering that’s gone into it.
By comparison, the most powerful 4 cylinder MGB GT
Power 98bhp @ 5,400rpm, Max: 110 Nm, 0-60 12.1 seconds. Top speed 105
52k+ Frontline Developments MGB 50LE. Factory supplied, 2.0 litre, 4 cylinder aluminium engine from Mazda. Power: 214bhp @ 7200rpm, max torque: 236 Nm, 0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds, top speed: 160 mph. Not cheap though, prices start from GBP 52,700. However, there is a lot of development and engineering that’s gone into it.
By comparison, the most powerful 4 cylinder MGB GT
Power 98bhp @ 5,400rpm, Max: 110 Nm, 0-60 12.1 seconds. Top speed 105
I saw an interesting video by that XF Motorsport guy recently, where he took an S200 engine out and it weighed something like 140kg with ancillaries. When you consider the Mercedes M113 weighs about 180kg and an LS weighs about 210kg with equivalent ancillaries, the F20C sounds surprisingly heavy. I know a straight 4 is easier to package into a car than a V8 so mass isn't the only consideration, but for the sake of 40-70kg if you have the room it seems daft to put in a less powerful engine unless you are dead set on being able to rev to 9k+ or really cannot have those additional kgs in the engine area.
Who want's to see my collection of 16v turbo Saab engines in other cars? Oh, ok... glad you asked...
Opal Ascona
Astra Van
BMW E30
Caterham
Ford Escort
Mazda RX8
And one chap popular in the Saab world probably won't mind me pointing out he loves the engines so much he has one in his Scimitar and Commer van.
Reliant Kitten
Opal Ascona
Astra Van
BMW E30
Caterham
Ford Escort
Mazda RX8
And one chap popular in the Saab world probably won't mind me pointing out he loves the engines so much he has one in his Scimitar and Commer van.
Reliant Kitten
The fun thing about the LS swaps when you start looking in to them is they're really not blasphemous when you start to dive in to the rabbit hole.
I'll be beginning to LS swap my GT86 later this year which i've had people scream to me "What about the Lightweight, japanese sports car - built by subaru with a flat boxer engine with a low centre of gravity!"
....then you find out that the LS litterally weighs 1kg more and the Boxer in the GT86 is actually mounted quite high to fit over the subframe etc suddenly the powerful, reliable and noisy yank V8 which is actually a rather small and compact engine suddenly makes alot of sense.
the LS is never a blasphemous swap in my opinion, neither are the new K-swaps.. they just make sense when you weigh up real world things like cost, power output and reliability.
I'll be beginning to LS swap my GT86 later this year which i've had people scream to me "What about the Lightweight, japanese sports car - built by subaru with a flat boxer engine with a low centre of gravity!"
....then you find out that the LS litterally weighs 1kg more and the Boxer in the GT86 is actually mounted quite high to fit over the subframe etc suddenly the powerful, reliable and noisy yank V8 which is actually a rather small and compact engine suddenly makes alot of sense.
the LS is never a blasphemous swap in my opinion, neither are the new K-swaps.. they just make sense when you weigh up real world things like cost, power output and reliability.
Samjeev said:
The fun thing about the LS swaps when you start looking in to them is they're really not blasphemous when you start to dive in to the rabbit hole.
I'll be beginning to LS swap my GT86 later this year which i've had people scream to me "What about the Lightweight, japanese sports car - built by subaru with a flat boxer engine with a low centre of gravity!"
....then you find out that the LS litterally weighs 1kg more and the Boxer in the GT86 is actually mounted quite high to fit over the subframe etc suddenly the powerful, reliable and noisy yank V8 which is actually a rather small and compact engine suddenly makes alot of sense.
the LS is never a blasphemous swap in my opinion, neither are the new K-swaps.. they just make sense when you weigh up real world things like cost, power output and reliability.
The LS engines are all still pushrod engines aren't they? That also helps keep them light, with small, light heads and all the weight down low on the engine.I'll be beginning to LS swap my GT86 later this year which i've had people scream to me "What about the Lightweight, japanese sports car - built by subaru with a flat boxer engine with a low centre of gravity!"
....then you find out that the LS litterally weighs 1kg more and the Boxer in the GT86 is actually mounted quite high to fit over the subframe etc suddenly the powerful, reliable and noisy yank V8 which is actually a rather small and compact engine suddenly makes alot of sense.
the LS is never a blasphemous swap in my opinion, neither are the new K-swaps.. they just make sense when you weigh up real world things like cost, power output and reliability.
Will the crank end up being any lower than the boxer's?
May I bring peoples attention to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKpT0WbEUY8
I think this suitably cleaves opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKpT0WbEUY8
I think this suitably cleaves opinions.
Derventio said:
May I bring peoples attention to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKpT0WbEUY8
I think this suitably cleaves opinions.
I like it. Not sure about the raucous bolt-on arches though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKpT0WbEUY8
I think this suitably cleaves opinions.
kiseca said:
And then there's this..
https://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-buil...
A few people have dropped a Busso V6 into 105 series Alfa Spiders.
Blasphemy because the standard car already has a pretty lively back axle with the standard 1.8 or 2l Nord 4 cylinder engines in it. A Busso would be up to twice the power. Saying that, I'd expect that the Alfaholics one would be the pick of the bunch, though even there looks like they haven't done much to the rear axle except swap the springs..
Still, that body, and that engine, irresistable for me. I'd take that over the Rocketeer any day of the week... even if I could probably get 10 rocketeers for one 105 Spider Busso....
Hate to rain on your parade… but Alfa stuck a V8 in the same 105 chassis/rear end, stuck a nice frock on it and called it the Montreal. All OEMhttps://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-buil...
A few people have dropped a Busso V6 into 105 series Alfa Spiders.
Blasphemy because the standard car already has a pretty lively back axle with the standard 1.8 or 2l Nord 4 cylinder engines in it. A Busso would be up to twice the power. Saying that, I'd expect that the Alfaholics one would be the pick of the bunch, though even there looks like they haven't done much to the rear axle except swap the springs..
Still, that body, and that engine, irresistable for me. I'd take that over the Rocketeer any day of the week... even if I could probably get 10 rocketeers for one 105 Spider Busso....
If you really want to giggle, look at the Alfa Sprint 6C or the Aussie (bats
t)version called the Giocattolo .. yes it howlsI saw an Giulia with a 2.4JTD in in once too.. not sure how they managed that
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/214297/1974-r...
Edited by craig_m67 on Tuesday 27th July 15:13
stickleback123 said:
kiseca said:
Others I'd add would be the Rocketeer MX-5, with the Jaguar motor. Would probably not be blasphemous if they used the Mazda 2.5 V6 instead.
Back in the mid 90s one of the Mazda developement engineers used to contribute on Usenet, I think it was. He said that the V6 would not work reliabilty (OEM reliability standards, not man in a shed aftermarket standards) in the MX5 because it was designed to be fitted transversely and leaned back 10 degrees or so; once it was upright oil flow wasn't right and they'd see excessive wear to certain parts of the engine.An interesting insight into what OEMs take into account and the sort of durability they expect vs hobbyists and tuners.
You can find details and subsequent owners in the miata.net archives. You can buy a subframe to fit that engine in the UK.
I know the very talented, but slightly crazy fool who built this.
Ford 400ci V8 into a Dodge Spacevan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ9jXU4nwUg
Ford 400ci V8 into a Dodge Spacevan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ9jXU4nwUg
craig_m67 said:
kiseca said:
And then there's this..
https://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-buil...
A few people have dropped a Busso V6 into 105 series Alfa Spiders.
Blasphemy because the standard car already has a pretty lively back axle with the standard 1.8 or 2l Nord 4 cylinder engines in it. A Busso would be up to twice the power. Saying that, I'd expect that the Alfaholics one would be the pick of the bunch, though even there looks like they haven't done much to the rear axle except swap the springs..
Still, that body, and that engine, irresistable for me. I'd take that over the Rocketeer any day of the week... even if I could probably get 10 rocketeers for one 105 Spider Busso....
Hate to rain on your parade… but Alfa stuck a V8 in the same 105 chassis/rear end, stuck a nice frock on it and called it the Montreal. All OEMhttps://www.alfaholics.com/our-cars/completed-buil...
A few people have dropped a Busso V6 into 105 series Alfa Spiders.
Blasphemy because the standard car already has a pretty lively back axle with the standard 1.8 or 2l Nord 4 cylinder engines in it. A Busso would be up to twice the power. Saying that, I'd expect that the Alfaholics one would be the pick of the bunch, though even there looks like they haven't done much to the rear axle except swap the springs..
Still, that body, and that engine, irresistable for me. I'd take that over the Rocketeer any day of the week... even if I could probably get 10 rocketeers for one 105 Spider Busso....
If you really want to giggle, look at the Alfa Sprint 6C or the Aussie (bats
t)version called the Giocattolo .. yes it howlsI saw an Giulia with a 2.4JTD in in once too.. not sure how they managed that
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/214297/1974-r...
Edited by craig_m67 on Tuesday 27th July 15:13
They didn't handle that well, considering where they'd came from. I've not been a huge fan of the Montreal since my youth, and part of that was because contemporary tests seemed to suggest that the engine was too much for the back axle and they'd made it softer as a result, more of a tourer. Hence I'm both excited and concerned about a Busso linked to that live axle!
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