RE: Land Rover launches new 525hp Defender V8
Discussion
craigjm said:
loveice said:
craigjm said:
Ill take a 90 hardtop in dark green with the white steelies and the white top sign written like the one at the launch show.
I don't think that's possible though. The white steelies are 18" which are only available on the 4-pot models as the break discs on the 6-pot models are too big for that particular 18" rim design. And discs on the V8 models are definitely bigger still. The v8 engine isnt on the configurator at all like i said.
NSNO said:
It is cool and looks great on the outside, but the interior is pretty spartan considering the price.
It's quite a refreshing interior though. Clean and simple and with the grey trim bits done in black it looks a bit better than the standard. It's also nice that the screen is below the dash line and that controls that tend to be used more while on the move are retained on traditional switchgear. I suspect that something else to consider is that if this is £100k then the next gen Range Rover is possibly going to be starting much higher than the current one, which in terms of price relativity would make the Defender cost more palatable?
loveice said:
It's what LR believes. I find it's strange that some people and indeed LR think electronic traction control somehow contradict with manually lockable diff locks. They don't. You can have both. And it will be driver's choice to use pure electronic traction control to find off road traction or manually lock the diffs by themselves, or even have both on at the same time. Why can't a £100k+ off roader offer both choices? Merc can do it.
The one or two lockable diffs lock themselves to the degree required when they need to (and, unlike the G Class, don’t disable all electronic assistance when locked) - the traction control works in conjunction with that, not instead of it.chandrew said:
Spiros115 said:
If JLR wants to compete in the G63 bracket I just don’t think this is unique enough, the “wagen” is so imposing, a massive retro box that sounds as angry as it looks with an s class level interior (in finish anyway), this looks great but it’s too ordinary, at least in this factory spec. In this bracket options and customisation are everything so expect most to get some gaudy adjustments...
I know several people with G classes, as here in Switzerland they're pretty common (last year they sold as many as the FFRR and RRS put together). However not everyone wants to have it more gaudy and my friends who have them typically buy them as they want a reliable family car and have always had one. When there's so many around nobody notices them and some people do get them to 'fit in'.What is undoubtedly true though, and this applies across the Defender range, is that there are far more options to make them a G more personal than LR offers. For example LR's paint option are pretty narrow - there is no dark green for example - whereas for Mercedes the only question is the cost. (My best friend's G is in a lovely dark, almost black metallic green - he uses it to take the dogs out).
We've just gone through the process of speccing a new Defender (p400e) and was holding off until the 2022 announcement before confirming the order. There are LR options which I'd have liked to add like the laser lights that just aren't available on the Defender. I'd have loved to be able to choose the steel wheels and have it in Keswick green. Fortunately here they do let you delete the privacy glass and you can get it in a more discrete trim than in the UK. I think LR are missing an opportunity though it has saved me a bunch of money. Personally I wanted it to be less gaudy, not more.
I'm sure this V8 will sell like hot cakes here - from what I can see from what dealers carry / what's on the nearly-new market - most FFRR are the V8 petrols.
If JLR aren’t going to offer a fully customisable service they are definitely going to lose in this segment! If people are wanting a reliable family transporter that copes in snow and with hills this is going to do a job, but if that’s what you’re after I don’t quite get why to you’d be dropping £100k on this gas guzzling version that will require more servicing and maintenance, and will prob do max 20 miles/gallon and will no doubt be way more temperamental than a workhorse big diesel!
Turbo Tonka said:
Coming to the back of a recovery truck near you soon!
My brand new 2018 Discovery dumped its coolant on the road after 1 hour and 46 miles of ownership! I'll never own another LR product again.
I am however looking forward to the new Ineos Grenadier launch.
That really is shameful, but I'd blame the dealer rather than LR. As for the Grenadier...My brand new 2018 Discovery dumped its coolant on the road after 1 hour and 46 miles of ownership! I'll never own another LR product again.
I am however looking forward to the new Ineos Grenadier launch.
Turbo Tonka said:
Coming to the back of a recovery truck near you soon!
My brand new 2018 Discovery dumped its coolant on the road after 1 hour and 46 miles of ownership! I'll never own another LR product again.
I am however looking forward to the new Ineos Grenadier launch.
I'd take a Twisted over a Panzergrenadier every day of the week.My brand new 2018 Discovery dumped its coolant on the road after 1 hour and 46 miles of ownership! I'll never own another LR product again.
I am however looking forward to the new Ineos Grenadier launch.
Edited by Maldini35 on Thursday 25th February 15:53
NomduJour said:
loveice said:
It's what LR believes. I find it's strange that some people and indeed LR think electronic traction control somehow contradict with manually lockable diff locks. They don't. You can have both. And it will be driver's choice to use pure electronic traction control to find off road traction or manually lock the diffs by themselves, or even have both on at the same time. Why can't a £100k+ off roader offer both choices? Merc can do it.
The one or two lockable diffs lock themselves to the degree required when they need to (and, unlike the G Class, don’t disable all electronic assistance when locked) - the traction control works in conjunction with that, not instead of it.The Wookie said:
braddo said:
J4CKO said:
But, listen, what is that, I think I can hear Spurs clinking as someone strides over, purposefully to have their say....
loveice said:
I agree by allowing the electronic assistance working with mechanical diff locks, you get better off road abilities for most drivers. That’s why I think the new Defender could at least give people the choice of having the front diff lock and the choice of only using the mechanical diff locks. We don’t have choices in the Disco, RRS and FFRR. So surely we should have choices in a Defender. Otherwise, people are just buying the name and styling...
What benefits would that bring (unless getting more stuck is a selling point)?craigjm said:
Ill take a 90 hardtop in dark green with the white steelies and the white top sign written like the one at the launch show.
Goes over to the website to see what that would cost and I find.....
What JLR always do.... announce a car to the press but the car is not there on the configurator! damn it guys learn from the likes of Porsche and Apple and get that sorted. What kind of marketing department does that!
The V8 is not on Configurator yet, but will be added, along with the XS Edition.Goes over to the website to see what that would cost and I find.....
What JLR always do.... announce a car to the press but the car is not there on the configurator! damn it guys learn from the likes of Porsche and Apple and get that sorted. What kind of marketing department does that!
There is only a tiny option list for the V8 though, so it shouldn’t cause anyone an issue:
- Revert to body coloured roof (V8)
- Add the rear signature graphic (90s only)
- Add extended black pack to V8
- Change from deployable to detachable tow bar (V8)
- Change to 20” wheels with off road tyres
- Add smokers pack
- Add load space luggage nets (110 V8)
- Add load space stowage rails (110 V8)
- Add Secure Tracker Pro (Thatcham S5)
- Add Wi-Fi hotspot
- Add 11.4” touchscreen
There is a downloadable Specification and Price Guide here: https://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/Land-Rover-Defe...
Edited by 595Heaven on Thursday 25th February 13:27
DonkeyApple said:
I suspect that something else to consider is that if this is £100k then the next gen Range Rover is possibly going to be starting much higher than the current one, which in terms of price relativity would make the Defender cost more palatable?
That might be a bit tricky. A couple of years ago the list price of the top end version was cut - something you obviously don't do unless you're struggling to sell at that price point. Since then, the space above the Range Rover has got increasingly congested with DBX, Urus, V8 Bentayga, Maybach GLS and whatever else is coming. How far the RR can be pushed further upmarket, if at all, is perhaps a bit of a question. That they couldn't seem to get enough interest in the run of 3-doors is maybe a further indication of that.May be in the minority here but my money would definitely go on a Twisted Defender rather than the new Defender V8.
At least with Twisted you get the "classic" Defender look and likely that the residuals will be so much better.
Seeing how much you can lose on an SVR, suspect once the appeal has worn off then it will be the same with the Defender.
At least with Twisted you get the "classic" Defender look and likely that the residuals will be so much better.
Seeing how much you can lose on an SVR, suspect once the appeal has worn off then it will be the same with the Defender.
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