RE: Land Rover launches new 525hp Defender V8

[anonymous-user]

I’d (will) buy a Trackhawk with a few extra go faster goodies. Good for 1000hp.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FoFR1DNZU

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th February 19:10

[braddo]

JonnyVTEC said:

Uh Oh, 300bhp is here.

Clink, clink...

[J4CKO]

300bhp/ton said:

NomduJour said:

loveice said:

No, I’m not saying having manually operated diff locks is 100% better than what LR is offering currently for most drivers under extreme off road conditions. But, at least there’ll be a choice for people to might prefer to use diff locks to traction controls. If diff locks are that useless, why not getting rid off them all then. Just look what happened to the early Disco 2s.

I’m just not clear what ability is added by the driver deciding when the diffs need locking, rather than the car. And why does traction control need to be separated from locking the diffs? That’s surely the bonus of the Terrain Response approach.

If you are leaving it to the computer, then it needs slip before it can decide if it needs a locked diff. There are many occasions when the driver will know this before proceeding.

However I thought if you have the optional rear locker, that certain Terrain Response modes did lock it anyhow?

As for the TCS. While it might be integrated, it isn't very transparent to the user unless you are a Terrain Response expert, have a photographic memory or are prepared to pull over and read the manual each time you use it. This being that it will cut power in certain modes. When I went to the LR Experience day one Defender got stuck because of this. It did drive out eventually, but you really did need to know how the damn thing works. A more simple setup would have just 'worked'.

Only joking 300, love ya really.

[A.J.M]

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

[Fire99]

It's not unattractive but still I find it a touch Kia Soul-ish in the design and it pains me to say at 100k I really would take a second hand Merc. G63 AMG instead. The Landy has shifted itself into the super-luxurious 4x4 world.

Edit - I'd even go as far as getting a deal on a G Wagon 400d AMG- Line Premium for £107k. 0-60 in 6.4 and reasonable (ish) mpg would be enough in one of those..

Edited by Fire99 on Thursday 25th February 19:40

[Cold]

A.J.M said:

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

You don't mean to say there have been numerous pages of arguments about something that isn't actually an issue? How very unlike PH.

[300bhp/ton]

A.J.M said:

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

Is that with the cost option configurable Terrain Response or can you do it on the regular standard Terrain Response?

[300bhp/ton]

Cold said:

A.J.M said:

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

You don't mean to say there have been numerous pages of arguments about something that isn't actually an issue? How very unlike PH.

The rear locker is not standard. There is also an “advanced” Terrain Response which is a cost option. I believe this one is programmable by the user. Which sounds good in some ways. But arguably makes a simple think far more complex than it probably needs to be. It is all software driven through the touch screen. You can’t just have a toggle button to lock the diffs.

[The Wookie]

David Beer said:

70 k for my svx to be converted with a Overfinch v8 , brakes suspension etc, if I had the money I would go that route.
However, mine is old fashioned !

The SVX is a collectable model, don’t do it

Better off buying a V8 or a 2.8i to restore it and convert it to a soft top!

[Cold]

300bhp/ton said:

Cold said:

A.J.M said:

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

You don't mean to say there have been numerous pages of arguments about something that isn't actually an issue? How very unlike PH.

The rear locker is not standard. There is also an “advanced” Terrain Response which is a cost option. I believe this one is programmable by the user. Which sounds good in some ways. But arguably makes a simple think far more complex than it probably needs to be. It is all software driven through the touch screen. You can’t just have a toggle button to lock the diffs.

So you're saying they should simplify it to appeal to dumbasses?

[300bhp/ton]

Cold said:

So you're saying they should simplify it to appeal to dumbasses?

Maybe that’s what you are saying or would prefer?

[Dapster]

Apropos of nothing but did the placement student do the Photshop on this?




Really would fancy a go in a 90 V8

[NomduJour]

300bhp/ton said:

There is also an “advanced” Terrain Response which is a cost option. I believe this one is programmable by the user.

You can save custom configurations on them all.

[A.J.M]

300bhp/ton said:

Cold said:

A.J.M said:

You can get the defender to manually lock and unlock diffs.
Configurable terrain response gives locking diffs which can be auto or manual.

You don't mean to say there have been numerous pages of arguments about something that isn't actually an issue? How very unlike PH.

The rear locker is not standard. There is also an “advanced” Terrain Response which is a cost option. I believe this one is programmable by the user. Which sounds good in some ways. But arguably makes a simple think far more complex than it probably needs to be. It is all software driven through the touch screen. You can’t just have a toggle button to lock the diffs.

Correct.
It’s not standard but it is an option for those who require it.

So those who don’t need that final few % can enjoy the car and those who want that final few can also get it.

To add it as standard would further add to the list and that already has the luddites up in arms.

Bearing in mind the G class starts new from £101,495 so there is a bit of a gap from a base G to a base defender.

[Earl of Petrol]

GR_WILL said:

I think that’s bloody ace.

Thanks, I was looking for the words!
So refreshing after all the stuff about Golfs and EV’s. I know it’s not the future but it is the here and now. Petrolheads rejoice, to some this might be ‘peak car’.

[300bhp/ton]

A.J.M said:

Correct.
It’s not standard but it is an option for those who require it.

So those who don’t need that final few % can enjoy the car and those who want that final few can also get it.

To add it as standard would further add to the list and that already has the luddites up in arms.

Bearing in mind the G class starts new from £101,495 so there is a bit of a gap from a base G to a base defender.

Thanks for the info.

Re the G-Wagen. I just don’t see them as direct competitors. The GLS is probably a better match up. Although I suspect the most direct competitor lives in JLR’s own range.

[jason61c]

300bhp/ton said:

A.J.M said:

Correct.
It’s not standard but it is an option for those who require it.

So those who don’t need that final few % can enjoy the car and those who want that final few can also get it.

To add it as standard would further add to the list and that already has the luddites up in arms.

Bearing in mind the G class starts new from £101,495 so there is a bit of a gap from a base G to a base defender.

Thanks for the info.

Re the G-Wagen. I just don’t see them as direct competitors. The GLS is probably a better match up. Although I suspect the most direct competitor lives in JLR’s own range.

Agree, the G-wagon is a class above this defender. if you're going off road, you wouldn't be taking this defender.

I recently tested the new defender and and a land cruiser, its the land cruiser I wanted. the defender just looked a little 'chav', also didn't feel as well built as the land cruiser.

[MrBarry123]

Fire99 said:

It's not unattractive but still I find it a touch Kia Soul-ish in the design and it pains me to say at 100k I really would take a second hand Merc. G63 AMG instead. The Landy has shifted itself into the super-luxurious 4x4 world.

Edit - I'd even go as far as getting a deal on a G Wagon 400d AMG- Line Premium for £107k. 0-60 in 6.4 and reasonable (ish) mpg would be enough in one of those..

Edited by Fire99 on Thursday 25th February 19:40

[Cold]

300bhp/ton said:

Cold said:

So you're saying they should simplify it to appeal to dumbasses?

Maybe that’s what you are saying or would prefer?

Well, I'm not the one saying it's too complicated to operate nor am I babbling on making presumptions of the vehicle based on lack of knowledge.

Some on here have doing that over and again since the vehicle was launched and make such a fuss that their ill-informed childish noise tends to overshadow any new Defender story.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so tiresomely predictable.

[GreatScott2016]

I’ll be in the minority having read through the comments but I can’t help thinking this is simply not a Defender. Yes it looks like it’s been brought into the 21st century but first and foremost these are agricultural vehicles, not Chelsea tractors! Inevitably we’ll see them on the school run soon enough too. I just think that’s kinda sad. Throw in the price tag and ouch!!