RE: Land Rover launches new 525hp Defender V8
Discussion
jason61c said:
Agree, the G-wagon is a class above this defender. if you're going off road, you wouldn't be taking this defender.
I recently tested the new defender and and a land cruiser, its the land cruiser I wanted. the defender just looked a little 'chav', also didn't feel as well built as the land cruiser.
So you preferred the landcruiser because of its looks and your perception of quality, and actual off-road ability didn't come into it. Did you 'test' each one off road?I recently tested the new defender and and a land cruiser, its the land cruiser I wanted. the defender just looked a little 'chav', also didn't feel as well built as the land cruiser.
In any case, the % of people taking £100k+ AMGs and V8 Defenders off road is tiny. The vast majority of the cars sold will live on urban tarmac.
Arguing about whether these cars have the best kind of locking diff etc is classic pub bore s
te, like arguing a car is so much better than another just because its claimed 0-60 is 3 tenths faster.
braddo said:
So you preferred the landcruiser because of its looks and your perception of quality, and actual off-road ability didn't come into it. Did you 'test' each one off road?
In any case, the % of people taking £100k+ AMGs and V8 Defenders off road is tiny. The vast majority of the cars sold will live on urban tarmac.
Arguing about whether these cars have the best kind of locking diff etc is classic pub bore ste, like arguing a car is so much better than another just because its claimed 0-60 is 3 tenths faster.
I preferred the landcruiser because it actually did feel better screwed together, it didn't have an electronic 'wobble' on the test drive and finally, its looks. In any case, the % of people taking £100k+ AMGs and V8 Defenders off road is tiny. The vast majority of the cars sold will live on urban tarmac.
Arguing about whether these cars have the best kind of locking diff etc is classic pub bore s
te, like arguing a car is so much better than another just because its claimed 0-60 is 3 tenths faster.Off road, there wouldn't be anything between them.
Saw a 90 this morning. Absolutely love it. With a V8, bloody brilliant. There will be wailing and screaming from luddites but the Harry's Garage review concluded that the new one was both the real deal and perfect for farming.
Not that the V8 will see many farm yards. It will hopefully be a less white knuckle and frightening drive than the previous incarnation with a V8.
Not that the V8 will see many farm yards. It will hopefully be a less white knuckle and frightening drive than the previous incarnation with a V8.
Cold said:
Well, I'm not the one saying it's too complicated to operate nor am I babbling on making presumptions of the vehicle based on lack of knowledge.
Some on here have doing that over and again since the vehicle was launched and make such a fuss that their ill-informed childish noise tends to overshadow any new Defender story.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so tiresomely predictable.
Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder over this. Some on here have doing that over and again since the vehicle was launched and make such a fuss that their ill-informed childish noise tends to overshadow any new Defender story.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so tiresomely predictable.
Btw I’m not uniformed. I Have spent seat time in the new Defender on and off road. Have you? I’d guess not, else you wouldn’t be dismissing that the Terrain Response is complex. It simply is. This is looking at it as my day job profession as a software tester. I also don’t dislike the vehicle either or the brand.
jason61c said:
I preferred the landcruiser because it actually did feel better screwed together, it didn't have an electronic 'wobble' on the test drive and finally, its looks.
Off road, there wouldn't be anything between them.
You’ve driven (and looked at!) a J150 Land Cruiser and a new Defender, and preferred the former? OK...Off road, there wouldn't be anything between them.
braddo said:
So you preferred the landcruiser because of its looks and your perception of quality, and actual off-road ability didn't come into it. Did you 'test' each one off road?
In any case, the % of people taking £100k+ AMGs and V8 Defenders off road is tiny. The vast majority of the cars sold will live on urban tarmac.
Arguing about whether these cars have the best kind of locking diff etc is classic pub bore ste, like arguing a car is so much better than another just because its claimed 0-60 is 3 tenths faster.
I think there was only one person actually arguing. I won’t say who they are. In any case, the % of people taking £100k+ AMGs and V8 Defenders off road is tiny. The vast majority of the cars sold will live on urban tarmac.
Arguing about whether these cars have the best kind of locking diff etc is classic pub bore s
te, like arguing a car is so much better than another just because its claimed 0-60 is 3 tenths faster.I did mention earlier it wasn’t really relevant with a vehicle at this price point in terms of off road. But it does still stand that from the entire range of new Defenders, the most hardcore off road model from the self proclaimed hardcore off road company. They just don’t offer a comprehensive off road package with all the bits you’d expect. Spec and options that are offered by pretty much every other hardcore off road vehicle on sale.
300bhp/ton said:
A fking load more when the vehicle isn't moving 
Simply not true. The eDiff has preload settings that are mode dependent. You’re perhaps thinking of traction control, although even that now has the ability to pre fill brake pressure into stationary wheels when in certain modes. There simply isn’t anything than a manual lock will do that the eDiff can’t. Well....apart from result in horrible instability when one wheel has a great deal more traction than the other and the torque on the high grip wheel overwhelms the available traction and results in it going sideways rather than forward.king load more when the vehicle isn't moving The general issue with your outlook 300 is that you are unable or unwilling to accept that older isn’t always better. It may be slightly more involving (if manually locking a diff really does it for you!) but to claim that a manually locking diff is better than an eDiff is patently wrong. To achieve what the eDiff can do you’d need your passenger to sit there with a wheel speed readout for each wheel and a manually controlled lever that would enable him to infinitely adjust the locking torque of the diff. How many Defenders have you driven that had that feature?
NomduJour said:
jason61c said:
I preferred the landcruiser because it actually did feel better screwed together, it didn't have an electronic 'wobble' on the test drive and finally, its looks.
Off road, there wouldn't be anything between them.
You’ve driven (and looked at!) a J150 Land Cruiser and a new Defender, and preferred the former? OK...Off road, there wouldn't be anything between them.
RacerMike said:
Simply not true. The eDiff has preload settings that are mode dependent. You’re perhaps thinking of traction control, although even that now has the ability to pre fill brake pressure into stationary wheels when in certain modes. There simply isn’t anything than a manual lock will do that the eDiff can’t. Well....apart from result in horrible instability when one wheel has a great deal more traction than the other and the torque on the high grip wheel overwhelms the available traction and results in it going sideways rather than forward.
The general issue with your outlook 300 is that you are unable or unwilling to accept that older isn’t always better. It may be slightly more involving (if manually locking a diff really does it for you!) but to claim that a manually locking diff is better than an eDiff is patently wrong. To achieve what the eDiff can do you’d need your passenger to sit there with a wheel speed readout for each wheel and a manually controlled lever that would enable him to infinitely adjust the locking torque of the diff. How many Defenders have you driven that had that feature?
Thanks. But you have misunderstood me. I was referring to the fact that in some modes the diff is not locked fully. And will need input for the computer to change that. And the only way it will get input is when you are driving it cannot pre-empt something it has no knowledge of.The general issue with your outlook 300 is that you are unable or unwilling to accept that older isn’t always better. It may be slightly more involving (if manually locking a diff really does it for you!) but to claim that a manually locking diff is better than an eDiff is patently wrong. To achieve what the eDiff can do you’d need your passenger to sit there with a wheel speed readout for each wheel and a manually controlled lever that would enable him to infinitely adjust the locking torque of the diff. How many Defenders have you driven that had that feature?
I don’t deny any of the points in your first paragraph. But I also never once said an ediff was inferior unless you can show me where I did.
But there
300bhp/ton said:
Clearly you have a chip on your shoulder over this.
Btw I’m not uniformed. I Have spent seat time in the new Defender on and off road. Have you? I’d guess not, else you wouldn’t be dismissing that the Terrain Response is complex. It simply is. This is looking at it as my day job profession as a software tester. I also don’t dislike the vehicle either or the brand.
Clearly you are making uninformed presumptions. Yet again. Btw I’m not uniformed. I Have spent seat time in the new Defender on and off road. Have you? I’d guess not, else you wouldn’t be dismissing that the Terrain Response is complex. It simply is. This is looking at it as my day job profession as a software tester. I also don’t dislike the vehicle either or the brand.
I can't help it if you think pushing some buttons on a screen is complicated. Have you thought about a career change?
Really didn’t like the look of these when they came out but it’s grown on me the more I’ve seen them about, bet this one is great fun too. However if I was ever to be in the market for a car like this (I probably won’t) then it would be G63 everytime. I know there’s a huge price difference but for me it would be worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2plZ6PdDw...
Some info on the MY22 stuff.
Also some details of the V8 and the dynamic mode.
68,000 paid orders and over 50 international awards to date.
Regardless of what people who call it a pretender or whatever, it’s popular and selling well.
Which is what JLR need.
Some info on the MY22 stuff.
Also some details of the V8 and the dynamic mode.
68,000 paid orders and over 50 international awards to date.
Regardless of what people who call it a pretender or whatever, it’s popular and selling well.
Which is what JLR need.
It’s called Defender but it isn’t the same type of car as the old one or the Series Landrovers that preceded it. However these were developed for a different purpose, in a different time. It’s a bit like suggesting Triumph and Norton should still make bikes with leaf springs that leak oil when what they are doing is offering something different to compete with the mainstream competition. They know their market and are making the cars they know people will buy.
I still think their best ever car in terms of refined utility was the Discovery 4.
I still think their best ever car in terms of refined utility was the Discovery 4.
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