RE: Lunaz completes world's first electric Bentley

RE: Lunaz completes world's first electric Bentley

Tuesday 2nd March 2021

Lunaz completes world's first electric Bentley

Thought the Rolls Royce EV was audacious? You ain't seen nothing yet



There will be a lot more news like this from Lunaz over the coming months and years. Not only has its first electric Bentley just been completed - more on that in a sec - it's Silverstone manufacturing base is to grow by 500 per cent in size and its number of jobs is to double this year. The appetite for electrified classics, it would seem, is not letting up one bit - even when they cost hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Lunaz's latest is a 1961 Bentley S2 Continental Flying Spur by H.J Mulliner, which will kick off its electric Bentley range after "overwhelming customer demand". It will use the Lunaz proprietary electric powertrain which, in the Rolls-Royce conversions, was offered with either 80kWh or 120kWh batteries. As with other Lunaz commissions, the Bentley has received a bare metal restoration and "full modernisation" - including better brakes, steering and suspension - as part of the project; the green car seen here will be used daily and thus has child seats integrated in the back as well as Apple CarPlay functionality.

This is just the start for Lunaz Bentleys, too. It has production allocation for two- and four-door S1, S2 and S3 Continentals, and will convert the Continental Drophead Coupe as well. Customers have even been in touch to have James Young cars reengineered.

Like the Rolls-Royce, however, a fully restored electric Bentley from Lunaz doesn't come cheap: prices start at £350,000 before tax, depending on the car being restored. That said, demand clearly exists: the proprietary powertrain is being lined up for additional installations (including up-cycling ICE fleets), the company's 8,000 square foot headquarters is growing to 40,000 square feet and recent recruits have come in from names like McLaren and Prodrive. The market for, as Lunaz puts it, "furthering the legacies" of classic cars, is growing, and growing fast - expect many more conversions to be unveiled as 2021 unfolds.




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BlueComet

Original Poster:

6,631 posts

215 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Ruined.

Augustus Windsock

3,372 posts

156 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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I’m sorry, whilst I appreciate that we are being driven (sorry for the pun) towards EVs, why convert something that survives in very low examples and which will probably do only a few hundred miles a year anyway?
Stuff Theta Gruntburger, I’d rather have this at less than half the price:
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1310911

nicfaz

432 posts

231 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Absolutely beautiful, plus the electric drivetrain will suit this type of car perfectly. Wafting around in near silence with "ample" torque on demand.

My only questions would be:

1) How bad is the range with the 120KWh battery; and
2) Crash worthiness?


Love it though.

Numeric

1,399 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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BlueComet said:
Ruined.
Genuine question - why? My uncle had a Barker Cloud and I never remember the engine being in any way noteworthy while the interior and shape - they were wonderful.

It was a bit unreliable though and I think electric would have suited it very well - better than the original drivetrain.

Of course if the current engine is working this is likely much less environmentally friendly on certain parameters than leaving the original engine in place for the very few miles these things likely do, so I don't in any way look at this through that lens, just ponder if it makes the car better.



Edited by Numeric on Tuesday 2nd March 10:34

Bobo W

765 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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if there were any marques that are ideal for retro-EV then surely it's RR & Bentley where the engine is about providing adequate power to move your stately home at a serene pace

bigothunter

11,315 posts

61 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Numeric said:
BlueComet said:
Ruined.
Genuine question - why? My uncle had a Barker Cloud and I never remember the engine being in any way noteworthy while the interior and shape - they were wonderful.
Electric powertrain is ideally suited to modern Bentleys and Rolls Royces. But why corrupt an absolute classic especially when the benefits are questionable? Even from an environmental perspective, this modification makes no sense at all.

Fishlegs

2,990 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Beautiful.

Top of my list of lottery win projects* is a Bentley "Zero R". Swap a crashed Model S into a tidy Turbo R.







* by which I mean things I once thought of on the toilet but will never actually do.

braddo

10,528 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Augustus Windsock said:
Stuff Theta Gruntburger,
Come on, grow up.

hornbaek

3,679 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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In the not too distant future „oldtimers“ will be treated as historic relics from past times. Why dilute this position by offering EV to a niche market that will have no impact on CO2 values and which ultimately will undermine the status of oldtimers and probably move them off the streets quicker as a result.

Glenn63

2,790 posts

85 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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I’d love to waft about in one as a daily if I had the funds, but, I have to agree with the above. If they are taking perfectly sound original examples and hacking them up I’m not so keen, old mostly rusted away barn finds being reborn like this I’m all for!

tramart50

34 posts

42 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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I'd assume this can all be put back to standard and doesn't involve any structural changes that de-value the original car?

I can only really see it appealing to wealthy city bankers as a way of avoiding emissions charges. But then they can afford not to need to avoid them!

rampageturke

2,622 posts

163 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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braddo said:
Augustus Windsock said:
Stuff Theta Gruntburger,
Come on, grow up.
funny watchin all these midlife crisis goers get mad at a 14 year old who hasn't really done anything new at all.

bigothunter

11,315 posts

61 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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hornbaek said:
In the not too distant future „oldtimers“ will be treated as historic relics from past times. Why dilute this position by offering EV to a niche market that will have no impact on CO2 values and which ultimately will undermine the status of oldtimers and probably move them off the streets quicker as a result.
CO2 emissions are impacted by these EV conversions. They increase because in most cases, the breakeven mileage will never be reached.

CDP

7,462 posts

255 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Numeric said:
BlueComet said:
Ruined.
Genuine question - why? My uncle had a Barker Cloud and I never remember the engine being in any way noteworthy while the interior and shape - they were wonderful.

It was a bit unreliable though and I think electric would have suited it very well - better than the original drivetrain.

Of course if the current engine is working this is likely much less environmentally friendly on certain parameters than leaving the original engine in place for the very few miles these things likely do, so I don't in any way look at this through that lens, just ponder if it makes the car better.



Edited by Numeric on Tuesday 2nd March 10:34
This, normally conversions are reversible.

How many old manor houses have no electricity, plumbing or heating because they weren't built like that originally? The car is not ruined, it has been adapted but as Numeric asks is it worth it? The car will do so few miles its emissions will be negligible.

The one purpose I can see where this is truly useful if where the car shall be used in a heavily regulated area like a city centre. Probably with a uniformed chauffer.

Some of the more exclusive hotels and private hire firms might be a good market too. Imagine being picked up from the airport in this?

idealstandard

647 posts

56 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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braddo said:
Come on, grow up.
Yeah its cringe worthy, the middle aged middle class "i want to burn coal but i don't know why" crew

bigothunter

11,315 posts

61 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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idealstandard said:
braddo said:
Come on, grow up.
Yeah its cringe worthy, the middle aged middle class "i want to burn coal but i don't know why" crew
The offended sensibilities brigade are here rolleyes

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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bigothunter said:
Numeric said:
BlueComet said:
Ruined.
Genuine question - why? My uncle had a Barker Cloud and I never remember the engine being in any way noteworthy while the interior and shape - they were wonderful.
Electric powertrain is ideally suited to modern Bentleys and Rolls Royces. But why corrupt an absolute classic especially when the benefits are questionable? Even from an environmental perspective, this modification makes no sense at all.
For the most part, converting a classic car is really easy. From an electrical and component complexity stand point.
Most are body on frame, have a throttle cable and about 3 wires throughout the car. This ensures that all existing car functions will work and it's easy to throw something modern in like a double din apple carplay system.

Try do it to a modern car, to get all the ADAS, heated/24 way seats, pop up shifters, ABS/TCS etc to work would be nigh on impossible for most these pop up conversion companies

ogrodz

179 posts

121 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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One of the compelling reasons to retrofit a classic car is simply the beauty of their design - curvaceous shapes, bold lines, all the things that we fell in love with in our younger days.

The go-kart nature of modern EV platforms essentially give designers a blank canvas - so come on car designers, why cant you produce something as beautiful as an old shaped Bentley from scratch? This would be much more interesting to me.

jwwbowe

577 posts

173 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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I’m in two minds about this.

On one hand, it is fantastic, being able to seamlessly waft around a city in a beautiful classic is a good idea and electrification will suit the sedate nature of a old Bentley.

Not every classic is going to be converted so I don’t buy the argument of erasing history. If this means the car is used more and subsequently more people see the classic design rather than it being squirrelled away in a wealthy collectors garage never to see the light of day, that is only a good thing IMO. You never know the sight of one might inspire a next generation car designer to design a electric car that doesn’t look like a bar of soap.

On the other hand any petrolhead who has been to Havana will attest to the disappointment of seeing all the 1950s cars rumbling about with retro fitted Lada engines (obviously for different reasons), so hopefully historical classic car exemptions to low emissions zones will be continued / applied.



Edited by jwwbowe on Tuesday 2nd March 11:54

Augustus Windsock

3,372 posts

156 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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Just love the fact that apparently I’m a mid-life crisis person who gets by on calling teenage girls names.
And that my comment has elicited nearly as many comments as those about the car itself.
Personally I couldn’t care less about Thunberg one way or another, we are being corralled down the route of Eva
Even Herr Jung from BMW suggested that ev cars aren’t the future:
“ The basic idea is that you take an EV with a large battery pack, and you replace the pack with a fuel cell, a hydrogen tank, and a smaller battery.”
Quicker to refuel, more sustainable and easier/cheaper to produce the raw materials.
For a car that won’t be driven 12k a year, it just doesn’t make sense to convert something like this, the vast majority will be used just a few times a year with very limited mileage.
Oh well, I’d better get back to impersonating Clarkson I guess....