RE: Volvo reveals 408hp C40 Recharge
Discussion
reeventu said:
To me the big issues with online are:
Who do you go to if there's a problem with the car? The dealership is the company who sold you a car so ultimately they are the ones with the responsibility for customer service.
How do you get a test drive, compare different models etc?
Do you get 15 days (as per distance selling regs) to return it for any reason? If that's the case there have to be limits or do they just refuse to take another order? I'm guessing they've compared the cost of handling returns with dealership margins.
Seat comfort, driving position etc are all essentials. It gives me the impression it's OK for people who don't care about the way their car drives. Fair point that I've bought laptops and washing machines online but a car is more than that. Or maybe not for Volvo?
We have this already with Tesla in US. It actually works well. There are Tesla 'Galleries' dotted around where you can go and get a feel for one and look at the options (like a showroom), and book a test drive (or do it online)Who do you go to if there's a problem with the car? The dealership is the company who sold you a car so ultimately they are the ones with the responsibility for customer service.
How do you get a test drive, compare different models etc?
Do you get 15 days (as per distance selling regs) to return it for any reason? If that's the case there have to be limits or do they just refuse to take another order? I'm guessing they've compared the cost of handling returns with dealership margins.
Seat comfort, driving position etc are all essentials. It gives me the impression it's OK for people who don't care about the way their car drives. Fair point that I've bought laptops and washing machines online but a car is more than that. Or maybe not for Volvo?
If it breaks down you contact Tesla service and they send a truck to your house or work the next day and leave you a loaner if you need.
Rather than arguing the toss about warranty work with a dealer who is a franchisee, you are dealing direct with the manufacturer.
You get to test drive, service, warranty, everything you get now without inconvenience of going into dealer.
You sell your car privately, or if you're in a rush to sell and are happy to take a trade price (like you'd get from the dealer as part ex) flog it to carvana or the equivalent of webuyanycar.
Its not that different to how it has always been.
SDK said:
998420 said:
Keep the car you already own, no batteries, no electric.motors with finite life cycles, very little pollution from.modern cars
Just a massive amount of CO2 from the drilling, piping, refining and transporting oil then burning the fuel in engines that are only 30% efficient. Makes a lot of sense 
The emissions produced by a car while in use is just one part of the environmental picture. Most of the materials to make electric drivetrains and batteries come from China -- the world's greatest polluter BY FAR. Mining, manufacturing, etc, those materials is extremely bad for the environment -- this is so often ignored. Vastly more electric cars means vastly more production from China -- and vastly more pollution from that production. Per the Paris agreement, China doesn't even have to start reducing its pollution for another decade! Oh, and there is no mechanism to enforce even that. And then there's the economic dependence on China for those electric drivetrain materials. To be clear, I'm not saying that electric cars are bad, or that they won't help the environment long-term. Whether that's the case depends on many things. What truly matters is the "cradle-to-grave" pollution. The notion that EVs are "pollution-free" or that they are only solution, grossly ignores so many issues that are critically important to actually addressing the problem, rather than merely politicking.
Edited by Speedraser on Wednesday 3rd March 02:58
998420 said:
Nothing "green" about this, just virtue signalling for idiots who got taken in by Greta's lies or listen to the opinions of their own brainwashed children.
Keep the car you already own, no batteries, no electric.motors with finite life cycles, very little pollution from.modern cars
If you are concerned about pollution, make the Chinese clean up, and make the global shipping industry clean up...cars are absurdly far down the list of polluters...while we screw our economies moving to electric cars, our enemies in China are laughing
Ahhh, isn't that nice: nothing like a lovely bit of casual racism to brighten up the day!Keep the car you already own, no batteries, no electric.motors with finite life cycles, very little pollution from.modern cars
If you are concerned about pollution, make the Chinese clean up, and make the global shipping industry clean up...cars are absurdly far down the list of polluters...while we screw our economies moving to electric cars, our enemies in China are laughing
Speedraser said:
He said keep the car you already own. In which case, there would be zero additional polution from manufacturing a new car, its engine/motor, and its batteries.
The emissions produced by a car while in use is just one part of the environmental picture. Most of the materials to make electric drivetrains and batteries come from China -- the world's greatest polluter BY FAR. Mining, manufacturing, etc, those materials is extremely bad for the environment -- this is so often ignored. Vastly more electric cars means vastly more production from China -- and vastly more pollution from that production. Per the Paris agreement, China doesn't even have to start reducing its pollution for another decade! Oh, and there is no mechanism to enforce even that. And then there's the economic dependence on China for those electric drivetrain materials. To be clear, I'm not saying that electric cars are bad, or that they won't help the environment long-term. Whether that's the case depends on many things. What truly matters is the "cradle-to-grave" pollution. The notion that EVs are "pollution-free" or that they are only solution, grossly ignores so many issues that are critically important to actually addressing the problem, rather than merely politicking.
More ignorance. Instead of the casual racism, why don't you, you know, look at some actual facts? The emissions produced by a car while in use is just one part of the environmental picture. Most of the materials to make electric drivetrains and batteries come from China -- the world's greatest polluter BY FAR. Mining, manufacturing, etc, those materials is extremely bad for the environment -- this is so often ignored. Vastly more electric cars means vastly more production from China -- and vastly more pollution from that production. Per the Paris agreement, China doesn't even have to start reducing its pollution for another decade! Oh, and there is no mechanism to enforce even that. And then there's the economic dependence on China for those electric drivetrain materials. To be clear, I'm not saying that electric cars are bad, or that they won't help the environment long-term. Whether that's the case depends on many things. What truly matters is the "cradle-to-grave" pollution. The notion that EVs are "pollution-free" or that they are only solution, grossly ignores so many issues that are critically important to actually addressing the problem, rather than merely politicking.
Edited by Speedraser on Wednesday 3rd March 02:58
China is actually ranked at only 47th in the world of the greatest CO2 emitters PER CAPITA in the world (the PER CAPITA is kinda important buddy!). The USA pumps out more than DOUBLE the amount of CO2 per person than China.... but hey, don't let the actual facts get in the way of a nice little MAGA agenda!
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296/economics...
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.P...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
Ah, now I get it.... so Geely call in the Volvo management to pull their pants down on the glorious award-winning and established design language of the XC model range and say "yes you can have your new C40, but it needs to look like shonk and must completely throw your aesthetic language developed over decades by very qualified and passionate people, out of the window....... just sign here..."
I give you....... the Lynk 05...... I need a drink.
This is what you could have won....
But you're not going home empty handed...
LBW2020 said:
This car is Ugly just plain ugly.
As for dealerships going out of business frankly thats not a bad thing, I would prefer a service centre run by the OEM not buy an A hole who couldn't give a F about customers which a lot of them are. Not all but a lot.
This is just the Daewoo model rehashed which was probably a rehash of a prior model. The only difference is the use of the internet to look at the car rather than a brochure. As for dealerships going out of business frankly thats not a bad thing, I would prefer a service centre run by the OEM not buy an A hole who couldn't give a F about customers which a lot of them are. Not all but a lot.
Whether you call it a service centre or a dealer, it is a place operating to the standards of the manufacturer where you will go to look at a possible future purchase and also take it for maintenance work. The assumption is it costs less to the manufacturer as they take the dealer profit and support costs - though profits have been very slim for years.
If you are happy to buy a car having never sat in it or driven it then this service makes sense to you, especially if you never compare a few models except by what someone says on you-tube. If you are not then they will have to provide a service that I guess looks a lot like a dealer - which Daewoo ended up having to do - which cost just as much but was less productive and they ended back with... dealers?
Maybe people are willing to spend £80k without ever seeing a version of the car they are to buy - I lack their courage.
Finally I have the feeling so much is geared to younger 25-35 year old consumers who are in some way different and will want car schemes that are effectively rentals of capital equipment with options to swap the 4x4 for a convertible next week etc etc. Well in my years i have never seen one of these schemes operate with real success - maybe being able to find Tabitha's teddy where she lost it two weeks ago without having to track down your last car is useful - while the car for many becomes an extension of your space. But I think mostly when people look at the huge costs generally involved they move swiftly on, not least because they don't have the money.
ShoeShop said:
How can anyone be excited about this car? Putting price to one side as no one will be paying cash for such a thing, its just ever so dull and boring.
Convincing yourself that you're going to save the planet by purchasing a new shiny Dyson on wheels? The more I read articles on EV's posted on PH, I just feel that I have less in common now with the PH community. How things change....
I'll find comfort in my garage, now with a mildly used 'new' purchase for me: A petrol V8 daily driver, ULEZ friendly. Dont worry, I'll plant a tree. World saved.
Well said. I have said it a few times & by return got the usual slagging off. Not sure if these comments are from ‘real’ PH fans - they seem to appear to often to be a coincidence - so these eco shills - seem like activists in a place to do the eco bidding on here. I had the audacity to ask what is PH going forward? Might as well change the name to battery brains (c) if it goes like this. I asked the editorial team, but to be fair - why / how could they comment, they are just associates of ‘the owner’, they can’t make any real statement. Shame really - the PH brand is very nearly dead, as far as I can see?Convincing yourself that you're going to save the planet by purchasing a new shiny Dyson on wheels? The more I read articles on EV's posted on PH, I just feel that I have less in common now with the PH community. How things change....
I'll find comfort in my garage, now with a mildly used 'new' purchase for me: A petrol V8 daily driver, ULEZ friendly. Dont worry, I'll plant a tree. World saved.
As for the ‘care by Volvo’ package, I wonder if that extends to the kids mining the battery metals or communities living near the holes in the ground? I suspect not.
Car as a service is definitely the mode & when you look at everything else that’s now a ‘service’ - it will be big faceless corporations driving the cost of sales lower & average revenue per customer up - just like all other ‘service’ businesses. What a dreary world.
Folks moaning about the sales person in the nasty dealer ‘hurting their feelings’ in discussion on price / the overall deal. Good god - I do sometimes wonder what is actually being put in the water to have got society to a point where the main driver is ‘my feelings’.
Come back Arthur Daily - all is forgiven.
Arsecati said:
More ignorance. Instead of the casual racism, why don't you, you know, look at some actual facts?
China is actually ranked at only 47th in the world of the greatest CO2 emitters PER CAPITA in the world (the PER CAPITA is kinda important buddy!). The USA pumps out more than DOUBLE the amount of CO2 per person than China.... but hey, don't let the actual facts get in the way of a nice little MAGA agenda!
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296/economics...
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.P...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
Using the fact that China has a population of 1.4Bn and many are living in poverty to justify a “low” per capita CO2 figure is disingenuous.China is actually ranked at only 47th in the world of the greatest CO2 emitters PER CAPITA in the world (the PER CAPITA is kinda important buddy!). The USA pumps out more than DOUBLE the amount of CO2 per person than China.... but hey, don't let the actual facts get in the way of a nice little MAGA agenda!
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296/economics...
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.P...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by...
China has hugely polluting methods of production and that needs to be addressed-
Ah, my new Geely 4000 - it’s a zero pollution EV built and run on Unicorn farts. Yes, the unicorns are factory farmed in areas of mass deforestation required by the process and we feed them lead-poisoned children but it’s zero emission at the exhaust pipe albeit it’s a fake pipe.
1. I really hope the upcoming Lotus SUV isn't based on this...!
2. We are getting ever closer to the car as white goods, no test drive, buy on line, it is becoming a washing machine.
3. I agree with all the comments above about the environmental credentials. I think repairing old cars and keeping them on the road would do much less environmental harm in the long term, especially when clean synthetic fuels become available.
There is no doubt about it the electric car will be historically remembered as the CD of the automotive world. in 20 years we will all be driving synthetically fueled classic cars at the weekend (vinyl) and doing our shopping / commuting / daily driving in something that hasn't been invented yet (streaming). All the electric cars will be on the scrapheap, a waste of CO2, Meanwhile my 1996 MX5 will still be working and its overall CO2 impact negligible spread over 45 years.
2. We are getting ever closer to the car as white goods, no test drive, buy on line, it is becoming a washing machine.
3. I agree with all the comments above about the environmental credentials. I think repairing old cars and keeping them on the road would do much less environmental harm in the long term, especially when clean synthetic fuels become available.
There is no doubt about it the electric car will be historically remembered as the CD of the automotive world. in 20 years we will all be driving synthetically fueled classic cars at the weekend (vinyl) and doing our shopping / commuting / daily driving in something that hasn't been invented yet (streaming). All the electric cars will be on the scrapheap, a waste of CO2, Meanwhile my 1996 MX5 will still be working and its overall CO2 impact negligible spread over 45 years.
Miserablegit said:
Using the fact that China has a population of 1.4Bn and many are living in poverty to justify a “low” per capita CO2 figure is disingenuous.
China has hugely polluting methods of production and that needs to be addressed-
Ah, my new Geely 4000 - it’s a zero pollution EV built and run on Unicorn farts. Yes, the unicorns are factory farmed in areas of mass deforestation required by the process and we feed them lead-poisoned children but it’s zero emission at the exhaust pipe albeit it’s a fake pipe.
Right, so you're not really a fan of actual facts and raw data then? Hmmm, interesting perspective there.China has hugely polluting methods of production and that needs to be addressed-
Ah, my new Geely 4000 - it’s a zero pollution EV built and run on Unicorn farts. Yes, the unicorns are factory farmed in areas of mass deforestation required by the process and we feed them lead-poisoned children but it’s zero emission at the exhaust pipe albeit it’s a fake pipe.
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