RE: Ferrari readies LaFerrari successor

[suffolk009]

The v12 in an 812 is currently ~800bhp. There are four electric motors in the Lotus Evija each about 500bhp. If they use just one electric motor like that and a V12, is 1300bhp really that unbelievable?

[Jules Henry]

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

[epom]

Every day a journey said:

epom said:

Anselmo ?? As in after Phil from Pantera ??

As much as I love their music, Pantera aren't exactly 21c either!

Now WALK!

[WCZ]

this has to be hugely special, the t50 and valk are insanely tough comeptition

it'll most likely end up super heavy though

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

WCZ said:

this has to be hugely special, the t50 and valk are insanely tough comeptition

it'll most likely end up super heavy though

It's not quite the same type of car as the T50 or the Valkyrie though is it. T50 is a driver focused road car and very "old school" in many ways, the Valkyrie is VERY much a track car. I think this is kind of in between and a very much techno marvel, unlike the T50.

[Some Gump]

KillerHERTZ said:

Does anyone read the article before posting?

Thats a test mute designed to look like a LaF.

No luck finding them swans, then?

[Dimwit3]

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... change the record, this one is getting very old and tedious.

[Leftfootwonder]

CourtAgain said:

The name Testa di Cazzo has also been considered, according to my source

Even that insult sounds romantic in Italian.

[anonymous-user]

Every day a journey said:

Max_Torque said:

I'm trying to think of a single person who has got out of a 918, P1, or LaLa and said "hmm, nice, but could do with more power and performance".........



Each one of those cars is already totally "tyre limited" in reality

What tyres are on a Veryron?

Do you think tyre companies and hyperformance car manufacturers don't speak to each other?

er, the Veyron is even MORE tyre limited that the holy trinity! literally 1 lap on a track and a veryon has no front corners on it's tread blocks!

This is because it is hugely heavy and hugely powerful. The holy trinity are slightly less powerful and quite a bit less heavy, but none of the three can deal with the loads they can dish out to their standard tyres, and even on their option tyres, they still have a sweet spot of just a few laps of the average track

[sidesauce]

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

[Gary C]

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

[WCZ]

Max_Torque said:

er, the Veyron is even MORE tyre limited that the holy trinity! literally 1 lap on a track and a veryon has no front corners on it's tread blocks!

This is because it is hugely heavy and hugely powerful. The holy trinity are slightly less powerful and quite a bit less heavy, but none of the three can deal with the loads they can dish out to their standard tyres, and even on their option tyres, they still have a sweet spot of just a few laps of the average track

the chiron pursport is actually okay on track so I hear

[sidesauce]

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

I'm saying it wouldn't be great financially. If I'm a shareholder I don't care about manual cars, I care about making as much money as possible. The market for a manual naturally aspirated V8/V12 died a long time ago for those in the market for Ferrari; they are about the the highest performance possible, not the purest driving experience and arguably they've already done that with older cars like the F430 and 599.

Edited by sidesauce on Friday 5th March 15:04

[Gary C]

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

I'm saying it wouldn't be great financially. If I'm a shareholder I don't care about manual cars, I care about making as much money as possible. The market for a V12 died a long time ago for those in the market for Ferrari; they are about the the highest performance possible, not the purest driving experience and arguably they've already done that with older cars like the F430 and 599.

Yeh, but you know that wasn't what he was saying

[sidesauce]

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

I'm saying it wouldn't be great financially. If I'm a shareholder I don't care about manual cars, I care about making as much money as possible. The market for a V12 died a long time ago for those in the market for Ferrari; they are about the the highest performance possible, not the purest driving experience and arguably they've already done that with older cars like the F430 and 599.

Yeh, but you know that wasn't what he was saying

I do and I disagree with the idea as the market Ferrari aims at (ie the majority of those who actually buy the cars) isn't looking for that kind of thing anymore.

[998420]

WCZ said:

the chiron pursport is actually okay on track so I hear

For what, 3m? Plus 40k pop tres iirc, wheels are a service ítem, etc, etc ... is "actually okay" not that impressive, bang for buck ?

[anonymous-user]

Veyron tyres are Michelin. They make them in the factory at stoke and they have a big secure unit to store hypercar tyres

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th March 20:34

[Gary C]

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

I'm saying it wouldn't be great financially. If I'm a shareholder I don't care about manual cars, I care about making as much money as possible. The market for a V12 died a long time ago for those in the market for Ferrari; they are about the the highest performance possible, not the purest driving experience and arguably they've already done that with older cars like the F430 and 599.

Yeh, but you know that wasn't what he was saying

I do and I disagree with the idea as the market Ferrari aims at (ie the majority of those who actually buy the cars) isn't looking for that kind of thing anymore.

Lets face it, the market Ferrari aims at, buys what its told too.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Gary C said:

sidesauce said:

Jules Henry said:

now wouldn't it be great if they had the balls to make an exceptional drvers car, sub 1,000kg, V12, Manual instead of another handbag

No, it really wouldn't. Who do you think actually buys Ferrari in 2021? Pure driving enthusiasts??

Ferrari don't need to have balls, they need to please shareholders.

That is all.

Are you saying it wouldn't be great ?

it really would be great, it just won't happen.

I'm saying it wouldn't be great financially. If I'm a shareholder I don't care about manual cars, I care about making as much money as possible. The market for a V12 died a long time ago for those in the market for Ferrari; they are about the the highest performance possible, not the purest driving experience and arguably they've already done that with older cars like the F430 and 599.

Yeh, but you know that wasn't what he was saying

I do and I disagree with the idea as the market Ferrari aims at (ie the majority of those who actually buy the cars) isn't looking for that kind of thing anymore.

Lets face it, the market Ferrari aims at, buys what its told too.

What a bizarre comment. I'm sure if a Ferrari dealer told someone they had to buy an F8 but after testing that person preferred a Huracan I'm pretty sure that despite the fact their Ferrari dealer told them to get the Ferrari they'd still end up with the Huracan......

[Davo456gt]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

What a bizarre comment. I'm sure if a Ferrari dealer told someone they had to buy an F8 but after testing that person preferred a Huracan I'm pretty sure that despite the fact their Ferrari dealer told them to get the Ferrari they'd still end up with the Huracan......

Hypercar market I think is a lot more sold before it's shown, so it's very different from your F8/Huracan run-of-the-mill models.
plus you also need to have 2+ of the current models to get on the list to be considered with Ferrari