RE: Ford discontinues 2.3-litre Mustang in UK

[Alex_225]

Teddy Lop said:

Alex_225 said:

You say that but look at how many quite average cars there are around for £40k new. I sat in a Merc C Class a year or so ago at MB world. Looked nice, decent spec (blue outside/ivory interior) that was a bout £45k and was a C220 diesel. I suspect many people just look at that monthly amount rather than the overall cost.

My uncle actually bought an Alfa Giulia Veloce which is nice enough but less powerful than the Ecoboost Mustang. Guess its that debate over new or used as £40k buys a lot of nearly new car.

sir is confused in his determining of average, most of the cars on the most popular new cars list rrp from around half of that.

I think think confusing is interpretting my meaning of the word average. As per my example of the Merc C class in an 'average' spec being a four cylinder diesel and as someone also mentioned, the C Class starts at £38k. That's a nice car but not a premium model like a high end petrol or more powerful diesel. This was in response to the comment about people paying £40k for a car that's more than a 'nice', when there are many cars out there that are distinctly average for quite a large sum of money.

A couple of quick Google searches indicates that people are 'paying' far more than £20k for the average new car which observation would indicate. I mean families are buying SUVs all over the show and unless you're buying a Dacia, most of them are £25k+, the average Focus is about the same cost. I suppose if the number of small hatches outnumbers all other motors to bring that average right down, I'm genuinely surprised that £20k is the average. One such article online implies that the average new car cost in 2018 was £33k!

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Alex_225 said:

I think think confusing is interpretting my meaning of the word average. As per my example of the Merc C class in an 'average' spec being a four cylinder diesel and as someone also mentioned, the C Class starts at £38k. That's a nice car but not a premium model like a high end petrol or more powerful diesel. This was in response to the comment about people paying £40k for a car that's more than a 'nice', when there are many cars out there that are distinctly average for quite a large sum of money.

A couple of quick Google searches indicates that people are 'paying' far more than £20k for the average new car which observation would indicate. I mean families are buying SUVs all over the show and unless you're buying a Dacia, most of them are £25k+, the average Focus is about the same cost. I suppose if the number of small hatches outnumbers all other motors to bring that average right down, I'm genuinely surprised that £20k is the average. One such article online implies that the average new car cost in 2018 was £33k!

I'd be interested to see the figures for average transaction value on a new car, ideally on a distribution graph of numbers of sales at a given price. You can't buy much for less than £20k anymore, but private sales (PCP, HP, or cash) vs company cars or leases might be heavily skewed towards the cheaper end of the market perhaps?

RRP vs lease/PCP prices are almost completely unconnected anyway due to the rather odd nature of the car market where the manufacturer is often the one setting the RRP, the actual "price", the interest rate, and the supposed future value.

They can pull a lot of levers to get products on the market at the monthly price people are willing to pay for them - see for example all the poverty spec Evoques they shift at £300 pcm on 5k a year leases vs the remarkably high RRP of a properly specified car. Hardly anyone actually wants an Evoque enough to pay £50,000 for it, no matter over what period that may be. Same goes for a 38k C220d with plastic seats and more blanking plates than my dads 1992 Mk3 Cavalier L.

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otolith said:

You drive past them later stopped for petrol while you still have half a tank. .

Now tell us all about those 600+ mile journeys you made in diesel cars without ever stopping....

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rockin said:

otolith said:

You drive past them later stopped for petrol while you still have half a tank. .

Now tell us all about those 600+ mile journeys you made in diesel cars without ever stopping....

To be honest, all my journeys could be accommodated by the range of a decent EV - just thought it was funny to see the old diesel tortoise and hare argument advanced in the defence of the V8.

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Section 8 said:

I was in traffic the other night and a could see a Mustang behind me. I thought to myself how I still think they are a great looking car and something that’s been remade as an actual decent homage to a classic . As I turned off it went past and then I heard the engine and suddenly realised....oh dear.. the Ecoboost 2.3 was just not delivering to expected rumble.

I liken it to booking a ticket to see the London Philharmonic and as you sit down with baited breath to hear the whole ensemble burst into life with the John Williams iconic Imperial March..... out comes the sound of a bloke on a Casio key board playing the Cantina song.

Imagine the scene. 3 kids stood by the car. You turn up and they await for you to depart to hear that engine. You turn the key and they look around waiting for a Mazda to sod off. Then they realise it’s you ??.It needs to do 60 in under 5 to outrun the embarrassment! Messing aside it’s definitely not my choice of engine.

I thinks this is even better than the "looks like Arnie but sounds like Joe Pasquale" analogy.

FWIW, in 2001 I went to Auz for a wedding and wanted to rent something interesting. I knew they were into their V8's and so found a manual V8 Mustang Cobra. Unfortunately the mrs insisted I got a convertible (her side of the bargain) which had all the rigidity of damp cardboard but it did have one great party trick; it could do brilliant 11's all day long.

Reminds of my first trip to San Francisco in 1995. On my first night I stumbled out of my third bar and there, gargling away, was a 65/66 V8 notchback (my favourite era & shape). I went over to complement the owner, he appreciated it and then did the most enormous burnout down the street.

Awsome. That was the beginning of a GREAT two weeks.