RE: New Mercedes-AMG C63 confirmed as 650hp hybrid
Discussion
F20CN16 said:
DaveE87 said:
Manufacturers have been pumping sounds through speakers for a few years now. How long before we get external speakers to imitate exhaust noise?
Already in production. Audi SQ7 is one of them I believe.I have a different backbox on my car (N54 on a N52) to make it a bit noisier so I guess I can't say anything really. It'll be much of a muchness for most I guess.
A sad day for AMG but I understand totally why they are doing this. I own a current gen C63 estate and this new one does not interest me at all. The V8 was a huge part of the reason I got it and must be true for most buyers. But it’s somewhat inevitable. It just means it’ll appeal to different buyers (650bhp is a massive step up). I’ll probably go for the M3 touring next (Of course I hate the grill but we will all get used to it or choose a colour scheme to hide it). At least this should help resale values of current models!
Tomatogti said:
A sad day for AMG but I understand totally why they are doing this. I own a current gen C63 estate and this new one does not interest me at all. The V8 was a huge part of the reason I got it and must be true for most buyers. But it’s somewhat inevitable. It just means it’ll appeal to different buyers (650bhp is a massive step up). I’ll probably go for the M3 touring next (Of course I hate the grill but we will all get used to it or choose a colour scheme to hide it). At least this should help resale values of current models!
Yes, I’ve had V8 63’s for 10 years, this new arrangement doesn’t light my fire.The new power plant sounds Uber fast, but it’s like offering me a Ryvita that has been engineered to taste like a rib eye steak - not really what I want. The existing power plant is already crazy powerful for the public road, adding 1/3 more seems a bit pointless. I am not looking forward to the local amoeba speed testing it up and down our high street at 11.30 pm.......
I appreciate that makes me look like a dinosaur, but the V8 is 90% of the experience for me
Tin Hat said:
Yes, I’ve had V8 63’s for 10 years, this new arrangement doesn’t light my fire.
The new power plant sounds Uber fast, but it’s like offering me a Ryvita that has been engineered to taste like a rib eye steak - not really what I want.
I see where you're going, but I have to ask - how do you know? This may be one of the best performing and best handling C63's ever produced. It may not have a V8 sound, but what if it sounds brand new and great in it's own right?The new power plant sounds Uber fast, but it’s like offering me a Ryvita that has been engineered to taste like a rib eye steak - not really what I want.
The are hypothetic rather than actual questions, but really I am pointing out that a lot of people are already making big assumptions about this car without any experience of it whatsoever (although I admit that the probability of it being any of the things I said, is pretty low.)
I bet its pretty good at being what it is, that it isn't the old one doesn't matter a jot, things change and you can still buy an old one the classifieds are groaning under the weight of C63's.
Which is strange as based on this couple of pages you would imagine folk would be clamoring for them.
Progress/Change will happen, might as well get used to it, and this new (650 BHP, what madness is this ?) will probably be alright, think Mercedes know what they are doing by and large.
The A45 gets a good rep, this is an A45 engine with added load of electrical assistance, I would at least like a shot in one, or at least hear a review before I declare it "Grim".
Which is strange as based on this couple of pages you would imagine folk would be clamoring for them.
Progress/Change will happen, might as well get used to it, and this new (650 BHP, what madness is this ?) will probably be alright, think Mercedes know what they are doing by and large.
The A45 gets a good rep, this is an A45 engine with added load of electrical assistance, I would at least like a shot in one, or at least hear a review before I declare it "Grim".
Pistonheads said:
And before you ask, thanks to the quick charge of the battery, you’re never left without enough electric power to provide maximum hybrid performance. Those peak figures are permanently possible. AMG is yet to reveal plug-in charge times.
If you’re never left without enough electric power to provide maximum hybrid performance why would you need to plug it in?9k rpm said:
2,000kg C63 no thanks.
They haven't given figures out ?Current one is 1750 and this adds 200 kilos but the article says there are savings from the smaller 4 cyl engine, so I doubt it will be 2000 kilos, a bit heavier than the existing one but its got more power and its not like the old one was a lightweight.
650 bhp though, I reckon it will be utterly ridiculous.
pb8g09 said:
Spiros115 said:
“Unwanted drivetrain” what amongst this thread? Maybe Mercedes research is a little more comprehensive than a few grumbling PHers?
Is it telling that the few positive comments seem to come from those that have either owned a45s with a version of the same engine or have actually owned v8s...
That's quite a contradiction. One sentence challenges me for using the demographic of this thread for my argument (I didn't by the way, I used the general trend on every single online discussion I've read about the new C63 powertrain...).Is it telling that the few positive comments seem to come from those that have either owned a45s with a version of the same engine or have actually owned v8s...
And then the next sentence you use comments from this thread to argue the other way...
You didn't tackle my pertinent point though, that the USP of the C63 has always been it's engine and without it, I believe will significantly impact it's appeal. Happy to admit I'm wrong in x years if sales have outgrown the previous editions however...
I can’t argue that the c63 isn’t about the engine, it is, but I can argue that no one can possibly know what this new car is like until it’s driven and it’s kind of boring that people would moan without even experiencing the car based on some romantic vision of a v8 that they’ve never driven let alone owned.
Bencolem said:
Pistonheads said:
And before you ask, thanks to the quick charge of the battery, you’re never left without enough electric power to provide maximum hybrid performance. Those peak figures are permanently possible. AMG is yet to reveal plug-in charge times.
If you’re never left without enough electric power to provide maximum hybrid performance why would you need to plug it in?Clivey said:
The appeal of AMGs used to be all about the driving experience and the character given by brutish, over-the-top powertrains that would happily vapourise the rear tyres at every opportunity.
I remember sitting in one of my favourite pubs in the Chilterns one sunny afternoon when someone fired his then-new SL55 up and rumbled out of the car park. Very obliging he stopped on the road for a minute or so and then suddenly proceeded to do the most enormous burn out.Utterly spectacular.
That 55K engine is on my bucket list. Ridiculously inefficient in terms of fuel, very good at turning ££'s into forward motion, 11's and noise.
Design ethos is for BIK drivers who pilot overweight cars engineered to maximise tax rules. Sod the fun factor.
BIK is the new Mondeo Man! MB will sell gazillions to corporate managers proudly showing off their prowess in the C63....just like their dads who used to luxuriate in a new plate GLX Cortina
BIK is the new Mondeo Man! MB will sell gazillions to corporate managers proudly showing off their prowess in the C63....just like their dads who used to luxuriate in a new plate GLX Cortina
HocusPocus said:
Design ethos is for BIK drivers who pilot overweight cars engineered to maximise tax rules. Sod the fun factor.
BIK is the new Mondeo Man! MB will sell gazillions to corporate managers proudly showing off their prowess in the C63....just like their dads who used to luxuriate in a new plate GLX Cortina
World class cynicism, love it. BIK is the new Mondeo Man! MB will sell gazillions to corporate managers proudly showing off their prowess in the C63....just like their dads who used to luxuriate in a new plate GLX Cortina
J4CKO said:
They haven't given figures out ?
Current one is 1750 and this adds 200 kilos but the article says there are savings from the smaller 4 cyl engine, so I doubt it will be 2000 kilos, a bit heavier than the existing one but its got more power and its not like the old one was a lightweight.
650 bhp though, I reckon it will be utterly ridiculous.
A C350E already weighs 1800kg, add in a bigger electric motor and rear axle, bigger wheels, brakes, extra driveshafts and electric turbo charging etc and it would be pretty hard to imagine it at anything less than 2 tons.Current one is 1750 and this adds 200 kilos but the article says there are savings from the smaller 4 cyl engine, so I doubt it will be 2000 kilos, a bit heavier than the existing one but its got more power and its not like the old one was a lightweight.
650 bhp though, I reckon it will be utterly ridiculous.
It'll be interesting to see the take up, personally I don't care how fast it is, there'll be no character from the (well apart from what the stereo produces) so basically you have an A45 engine with wattage added.
They should drop the 63 badge too the 4.0 V8 was a stretch this is just a piss take.
On the upside it'll be interesting to see what Barbus manage to squeeze into this new gen C Class
They should drop the 63 badge too the 4.0 V8 was a stretch this is just a piss take.
On the upside it'll be interesting to see what Barbus manage to squeeze into this new gen C Class
got depressed the more i read through the article really. The stats did absolutely nothing for me when i picture how its going to sound.. half of the selling point of an AMG is drama and noise (least it is for me!). Just don't see how much fakery will give that.
add into the fact the OPF filter that'll be fitted - i imagine it'll sound very disappointing regardless of stats.
add into the fact the OPF filter that'll be fitted - i imagine it'll sound very disappointing regardless of stats.
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