RE: New Mercedes-AMG C63 confirmed as 650hp hybrid

RE: New Mercedes-AMG C63 confirmed as 650hp hybrid

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AC43

8,762 posts

172 months

Wednesday 31st March
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God, I can already hear the fake farts, pops and bangs coming out of the exhaust.

Oilchange

6,786 posts

224 months

Wednesday 31st March
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blue al said:
Was a lighter v6, and a lighter car not an option....

And they have form with small capacity v6s (1.6 litres)

Mosdef

1,506 posts

191 months

Wednesday 31st March
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No surprise about the new 4 cylinder but I don’t understand all the fuss about the V8 it’s replacing. Yes, it was effective enough but the noise just felt hugely contrived. I was more disappointed about the passing of the 6.2 to make way for turbos than I am about the demise of the 4 litre engine.

Mosdef

1,506 posts

191 months

Wednesday 31st March
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AC43 said:
God, I can already hear the fake farts, pops and bangs coming out of the exhaust.
Exactly! AMG engines just going from once great, to bad, to worse.

CSK1

1,200 posts

88 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Sad news indeed.
Does this mean Aston will inherit this power train too as part of their technical partnership?
I was already disappointed of the news that there would no longer be a V12 version of the New Vantage, now potentially we’ll be left with a 4 cylinder hybrid instead of the current AMG V8 as I believe they have stopped development on their own V6 engine.
It’s all going downhill from now on for car enthusiasts I’m afraid!

amacl10

227 posts

194 months

Wednesday 31st March
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April Fool
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Oilchange

6,786 posts

224 months

Wednesday 31st March
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I wonder if this will come back to bite them. I mean, the engine is a large ‘part’ of a sports car isn’t it?

Bright Halo

1,403 posts

199 months

Wednesday 31st March
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When the glorious 6.2 N/A was replaced with the 4.0 turbo many including myself thought it a sad day but the C63 survived and thrived.
I am sure it will do the same with this new evolution. You can’t hold the tide of change back although we can still enjoy moaning about it.

Edited by Bright Halo on Wednesday 31st March 14:22


Edited by Bright Halo on Wednesday 31st March 14:22

T1berious

1,411 posts

119 months

Wednesday 31st March
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As stated in an earlier post this looks like a use during warranty car and shift before it expires. Honestly, an EV would be less complex.

We knew it was coming and to be fair, in less than a decade new ICE cars will be banned from many countries in Europe, so a hybrid is the way to go.

Still sounds like a borkage nightmare come 6 years old.


MrBarry123

5,536 posts

85 months

Wednesday 31st March
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T1berious said:
As stated in an earlier post this looks like a use during warranty car and shift before it expires. Honestly, an EV would be less complex.

We knew it was coming and to be fair, in less than a decade new ICE cars will be banned from many countries in Europe, so a hybrid is the way to go.

Still sounds like a borkage nightmare come 6 years old.
yes

stuckmojo

2,406 posts

152 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Nah.

I had a Etron Q5 50 on loan and I did like the way it accelerated to 50. Very rapid, and instant response. However, if you don't charge it at every stop (max 30 miles of electric drive) it will do 20MPG.

Tech getting there but not there yet.

Looking at the new C class it will be quite ugly too.

Harry_523

221 posts

63 months

Wednesday 31st March
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"oh no, a fast C class has a 4 cylinder".... 190E Cosworth anyone?

AMGs arent necessarily about V8s, just insane power and a great soundtrack. 650hp ticks the power box, and they pulled of the sound when they switched to turbo V8s, so whats to say they cant make a 4cyl sound great?

MOOSECORTINA

12 posts

43 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Might as well get any other 4cyl hybrid. I`ll keep my V8.

stumpage

1,887 posts

190 months

Wednesday 31st March
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I have not been a fan of the idea of a hybrid and love a V8.

However having just got a new company car and due to the BIK was pushed into a PHEV. After moaning about having to go PHEV I have to say it's bloody brilliant! Better than I ever imagined it would be. Quiet around town but stick it into Polestar Engineered driving mode and it completely changes you get the noise of the Electric motor + Supercharger + Turbo all working together and it doesn't hang around.

I know as petrol heads we all feel a little sad that the V8 will soon be consigned to the history books, but I now think the future is brighter with hybrid than I imagined it would be a couple of months ago. But you'll never beat the noise that only a V8 can deliver.

fantheman80

314 posts

13 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Mosdef said:
Exactly! AMG engines just going from once great, to bad, to worse.
Well the A45S has next to no pops and bangs (except for the 'Emotion start where you hold a paddle), so maybe this will be quieter as well

I am gonna flip it another way though, I am glad there is still an engine in the mix, and not just pure ev.

Current ones prices are gonna hold like loctite...drat.

Speed1283

731 posts

59 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Electric assistance aside, part of me does wonder just how much more fuel efficient/emissions friendly a 400bhp 2 cylinder is compared to a V8?

I'm sure on lab tests it will be better though, which is where it counts for the regulations.

Shame they couldn't at least go to a 6 cylinder rather than straight to 4.




Krikkit

20,954 posts

145 months

Wednesday 31st March
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T1berious said:
As stated in an earlier post this looks like a use during warranty car and shift before it expires. Honestly, an EV would be less complex.

We knew it was coming and to be fair, in less than a decade new ICE cars will be banned from many countries in Europe, so a hybrid is the way to go.

Still sounds like a borkage nightmare come 6 years old.
Does it? The current 4-pot engine in the A45 is pretty unburstable, hybrid tech is by its very nature pretty hardy. The rest is all proven technology in various forms.

Nothing in this car is completely new technology, and Mercedes have one of the most rigorous powertrain testing standards of all manufacturers, which is why they often get tuned to high heaven.

s2000db

938 posts

117 months

Wednesday 31st March
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Sad development..

Can someone tell me what’s the point of hybrids? Aside from being able to throw ‘low’ consumption/emission results under test conditions, they don’t really deliver under ‘most’ real-world scenarios.
Surely high efficiency petrol/diesel, or all electric drivetrains are the only practical alternatives currently?

Turini

172 posts

130 months

Wednesday 31st March
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The technological develop and evolution is inevitable but as another commenter points out the dealer network falls behind this capability. How on earth these are going to be supported as they age when servicing/labour costs are spiralling I have no idea.

It does support pure EV as less to work on, less to go wrong and more systems related.

I think we’re in the last sweet spot for the current large capacity ICEs. Time to bag one and keep hold of it for as long as possible

Kawasicki

8,966 posts

199 months

Wednesday 31st March
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s2000db said:
Sad development..

Can someone tell me what’s the point of hybrids? Aside from being able to throw ‘low’ consumption/emission results under test conditions, they don’t really deliver under ‘most’ real-world scenarios.
Surely high efficiency petrol/diesel, or all electric drivetrains are the only practical alternatives currently?
The point is cheap company car & road tax for users and the avoidance of brutal fleet CO2 penalties for manufacturers.

Electric does that obviously, but they come with their own disadvantages.

So, hybrids are the result of voters, voting for governments that force these changes, in order to protect the environment.

It's democracy in action.