RE: Vauxhall to sell off more heritage cars
Discussion
swindonredtop said:
Isn't everyone missing the point that if you're slimming down a heritage collection you sell the least important first, therefore, regardless of your views on whether Vauxhall ever made anything decent, what they're selling off here is, by definition, going to be the worst of what they've got in the collection isn't it?
I think so. They're not going to be selling the crown jewels so they can display the leftover crap that noone wants.
Buzypea said:
Pommy said:
I've never seen a Vauxhall win a group test in a car magazine. Ever.
Look no further...https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/vw-golf-vs-ford-focu...
In fairness, the 16V Astra GTE in the 80s, while being generally inferior to class leaders such as the Mark II Golf GTi 16v and the 1.9 205, certainly did have a cracking engine in twin cam guise. So they did have that one good engine, and the VX220 was an excellent car, albeit it was a Lotus ...
glazbagun said:
The last Cavalier was best in class, too, wasnt it? Until the Mondeo. I remember reviewers fept that the Vectra was a big step back.
Don’t agree. I had the last of the MK3 Cavaliers and the first of the Vectra’s. They were both high specification 2.0 Litres and the Vectra was streets ahead in every respect. It was an extremely refined long distance motorway cruiser. Much more so than the E36 325i Coupe I replaced it with. Whilst I think Clarkson is great, he was wrong about the Vectra.
Edited by Rob 131 Sport on Saturday 3rd April 01:41
tommy1973s said:
Buzypea said:
Pommy said:
I've never seen a Vauxhall win a group test in a car magazine. Ever.
Look no further...https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/vw-golf-vs-ford-focu...
In fairness, the 16V Astra GTE in the 80s, while being generally inferior to class leaders such as the Mark II Golf GTi 16v and the 1.9 205, certainly did have a cracking engine in twin cam guise. So they did have that one good engine, and the VX220 was an excellent car, albeit it was a Lotus ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T4QAs1ggfFc
Having driven this era Astra and Focus back to back, I can confirm the Astra was leagues ahead in interior quality, refinement and technology. Admittedly the Focus did have sharper handling.
I am by no means a Vauxhall fanboy and always preferred Fords growing up, but then I actually drove some Vauxhall’s and some were pretty decent, better than their Ford counterparts.
Also, the problem with some of these “proper” car magazines is they appease the manufacturers who advertise in their publications, so reviews are often biased. Car wow is independent and does not rely on manufacturers advertising, so I am more likely to believe what they say.
glazbagun said:
The last Cavalier was best in class, too, wasnt it? Until the Mondeo. I remember reviewers fept that the Vectra was a big step back.
It certainly got near the top in the early days
By the time the Vectra came out then the Mondeo, Primera and the 406 were also about and the Cavalier was an old car
Truth is stuff like the Cavalier, 405, Sierra etc all majored on different things. Very few cars will be first in every area compared to others they are compared against
I doubt very few people on here drive group test winners or the class act with everything they buy. 99% of the time they’ll be perfectly acceptable to be in the car that came second or third.
It’s rare that a model will “win” every press review and even if so, like the Tipo Sedicivalvole of the early 90s hot hatches, peoples selective memory, poor sales or more common competitors will have risen to the top
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I cannot understand why all public service vehicles such as Police Cars, Medical Support Vehicles etc are not made here. That in itself would be a huge support for Vauxhall and Jaguar, to name just two manufacturers.
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If I was on deaths door the last thing I’d want to hear from the phone operator is the medics are on their way in their Vauxhall.
I cannot understand why all public service vehicles such as Police Cars, Medical Support Vehicles etc are not made here. That in itself would be a huge support for Vauxhall and Jaguar, to name just two manufacturers.
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If I was on deaths door the last thing I’d want to hear from the phone operator is the medics are on their way in their Vauxhall.
Baileyk said:
If I was on deaths door the last thing I’d want to hear from the phone operator is the medics are on their way in their Vauxhall.
Why would you care? I don't believe that part of the procurement process should be "must be made in Britain" but this seems really odd.
If the UK adopted a rule that all police cars and ambulances must be built in the UK, our international trade partners could enforce a rule that theirs must NOT be built in the UK.
Having a free market gives us better terms abroad
EthanSmale said:
Baileyk said:
If I was on deaths door the last thing I’d want to hear from the phone operator is the medics are on their way in their Vauxhall.
Why would you care? I don't believe that part of the procurement process should be "must be made in Britain" but this seems really odd.
If the UK adopted a rule that all police cars and ambulances must be built in the UK, our international trade partners could enforce a rule that theirs must NOT be built in the UK.
Having a free market gives us better terms abroad
MarkwG said:
EthanSmale said:
Baileyk said:
If I was on deaths door the last thing I’d want to hear from the phone operator is the medics are on their way in their Vauxhall.
Why would you care? I don't believe that part of the procurement process should be "must be made in Britain" but this seems really odd.
If the UK adopted a rule that all police cars and ambulances must be built in the UK, our international trade partners could enforce a rule that theirs must NOT be built in the UK.
Having a free market gives us better terms abroad
Rob 131 Sport said:
Growing up Motorway Police Cars were predominantly Jaguars, Rovers, Ford’s and Vauxhall’s.
Why can’t that still be the way, with the exception of Rover obviously. It would provide a great employment boost or am I just being too obvious.
They still have Vauxhall Insignia motorway cars in this area, as well as BMWsWhy can’t that still be the way, with the exception of Rover obviously. It would provide a great employment boost or am I just being too obvious.
Can’t say I’ve noticed Jag or Ford ones lately
Rob 131 Sport said:
Growing up Motorway Police Cars were predominantly Jaguars, Rovers, Ford’s and Vauxhall’s.
Why can’t that still be the way, with the exception of Rover obviously. It would provide a great employment boost or am I just being too obvious.
All of those companies supply to the emergency market if needed. What you're seeing is a reduction in overall police presence on the motorway network - most of the motorway load is carried by the HATO teams these days. There's no requirement for police vehicles to cruise the motorways looking for problems, they're deployed elsewhere.Why can’t that still be the way, with the exception of Rover obviously. It would provide a great employment boost or am I just being too obvious.
The spinner of plates said:
I had to endure Vauxhall's more regularly than was good for me 1995 - 2005. They were awful and I was convinced that even Vauxhall didn't take any pride in the garbage churned out.
Almost wilfully below average turds with nothing that would make you want to choose one if you weren't beholden to fleet manager who was no doubt getting a brown paper bag each quarter to ensure the company carpark was full of this old crap. It was notable that he chose to drive a Mercedes
At least your fleet manager got to choose his car; you must have been desperate and/or unemployable at other companies to endure 10 years of driving cars that you hated. Almost wilfully below average turds with nothing that would make you want to choose one if you weren't beholden to fleet manager who was no doubt getting a brown paper bag each quarter to ensure the company carpark was full of this old crap. It was notable that he chose to drive a Mercedes
sideways man said:
Shame the Viva on offer is a HA, not a HB as stated. My dad put a Ford 1600 Gt in our HB, as the std 1.2 wouldn’t tow our caravan, the by-product was a nippy little saloon that would out drag an MG B. I’d be tempted to build something similar, in his memory.
That would be a great tribute, although a mate of my mate has an HB with a 2 litre red-top and ITBs that is stupidly quick and it's all Vauxhall!Gad-Westy said:
Gecko1978 said:
Maybe they sold all the good stuff earlier but vaxhall literally appear to have nothing exciting to offer. Telling really.
It does seem like slim pickings. They never seem to let their hair down and do something mad. Most of their more recent interesting models have been hotter versions of ordinary cars or collaborations with third parties or re-branded models from GM group. Its not like other car manufacturers are entirely exclusive about entirely producing their own cars (or tuning), so I really don't get the comparison.
If someone else can help you produce a specific part better than you could have, why the hell not, it just makes sense to outsources in some cases.
Vauxhall threads always bring out the exact type of comments you see here but, while I am not that excited about these cars, I still think it's a shame that they're being sold.
While people may care about GTEs, GSIs, VXRs etc, those are cars that will be preserved in their hundreds or thousands by enthusiasts. It's the lesser-known, less exciting models that are most likely to be neglected and end up in the crusher, and thus end up as being the most rare.
It wasn't exciting by any means, but my parents had a Nova Merit when I was a kid, bought brand new in 1989. That means it does hold a certain sentimentality for me, so it would be nice to see a few preserved. For the pre-war cars here, that becomes even more important in my view, as they represent some milestones for the manufacturer.
I know a lot of folk on here enjoy slating everything Vauxhall does, but I find it sad when any manufacturer lets go of a bit of their history.
While people may care about GTEs, GSIs, VXRs etc, those are cars that will be preserved in their hundreds or thousands by enthusiasts. It's the lesser-known, less exciting models that are most likely to be neglected and end up in the crusher, and thus end up as being the most rare.
It wasn't exciting by any means, but my parents had a Nova Merit when I was a kid, bought brand new in 1989. That means it does hold a certain sentimentality for me, so it would be nice to see a few preserved. For the pre-war cars here, that becomes even more important in my view, as they represent some milestones for the manufacturer.
I know a lot of folk on here enjoy slating everything Vauxhall does, but I find it sad when any manufacturer lets go of a bit of their history.
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