What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?
Discussion
baconsarney said:
Just before first lockdown last year I was doing the twice weekly shop at Waitrose (took the Aston rather than the Volvo) and on returning to the car I had a rather nice chat with a chap who was just getting in to his Bentley with his young son. Not that I was on the lookout but I didn't see one posh person whilst one was there....
Apologies if my post isn't quite on topic...
No it is actually on topic, as posh people don’t shop in Waitrose. They have the game keeper deliver all their meat/game/poultry and a local farmer deliver fresh produce. Anything else the help will collect.Apologies if my post isn't quite on topic...
Waitrose is for new money or those desperate to feel part of something better. Having a car park full of bling bling Bentley or Astons sounds spot on.
😂 unfortunately I shop in Waitrose and drive the Volvo held together with twine, but have no money, class, aspirations or status. Although I know a loose acquaintance who has a digital copy of an old Daimler brochure. Potentially that gives me some bonus points.
easytiger123 said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Landrover do a service which for a FFRR costs £1.8k pm and you can choose a new one every 6 months, all you do is fuel it.
Not quite. They’ll give you a used one every 6 months (but it will be less than 2 years old) with a “premium” spec but you can’t choose the colour or specific features. Or take it off road. RMDB9 said:
Deep Thought said:
RMDB9 said:
Why is everybody so fixated on self-made new money hard-working tycoon types?
What about the intellectual elite, 2nd sons of landed gentry, ambassadors? None of them fall into the superyacht/white Phantom/AP Royal Oak Offshote/Gold-plated filet steak in Dubai bracket.
Because that line still seems to be being drawn - you're either "posh" and have money (but obvs whisper about it) or you're new money just showing off when the reality these days is not like that.What about the intellectual elite, 2nd sons of landed gentry, ambassadors? None of them fall into the superyacht/white Phantom/AP Royal Oak Offshote/Gold-plated filet steak in Dubai bracket.
And because the self made hard-working tycoon types are far more prevalent / influential than some 7th Earl of Fuddsbury or wherever whos clinging on to the past.
And what makes them intellectually elite? And what makes them ambassadors?
The ambassador...not "wealthy", Foreign service pays peanuts compared to what the Rolex/'rari people make. He had to go through some quite elaborate education (=middle class), role has high status (compared to IT contractors, bitcoin traders or the like), will likely require him to socialize with interesting people (high social capital). But able to buy a Lambo? Do ambassador types generally want a Lambo?
Literary figures, but not Clarkson. Men of letters. Oxford dons. You get the idea. Successful in their field, but have "proof of success" via their publications/appointments/awards, dont need the "Tron" Lambo cruising around Harrods with "revs".
2nd son of landed gentry, related by birth and marriage to similar people, minor dignitaries who hold roles in local government, military or church. Education, manners, illiquid assets.
The truly posh / upper class / aristoscracy are a different breed. Eton. Harrow, Cambridge. Oxford Etc. Polo and all that. Possibly signet ring. Yeah they might have a some nice cars and could drink champagne in the back of a Rolls-Royce if they really wanted. New money though would have an instagram account and try to flog you some stuff or send you on their course and tell you how they got a Lambo and nice apartment in 1 week.
I'm Winchester and Oxford.
And I can tell you right now, there are more aspirational, pretend posh 2nd generation kids there than old money.
The people you describe are folks whose Dad did well in trade, and was already from a middle class family. They are the ones with signet rings with false family crests, and pretensions of nobility.
The true nobility I knew were invariably mental. Excess, excess, excess. Calmed down in old age to the realisation that there are expectations on them.the rich ones were as flash as hell, no exceptions.
Your view is exactly what I was referring to. A naive, fawning worldview successfully perpetuated by the upwardly mobile middle classes, who so desperately want to be “posh“. A romanticised view of class that has no basis in reality.
And I can tell you right now, there are more aspirational, pretend posh 2nd generation kids there than old money.
The people you describe are folks whose Dad did well in trade, and was already from a middle class family. They are the ones with signet rings with false family crests, and pretensions of nobility.
The true nobility I knew were invariably mental. Excess, excess, excess. Calmed down in old age to the realisation that there are expectations on them.the rich ones were as flash as hell, no exceptions.
Your view is exactly what I was referring to. A naive, fawning worldview successfully perpetuated by the upwardly mobile middle classes, who so desperately want to be “posh“. A romanticised view of class that has no basis in reality.
My sister has recently retired as headmistress from a private school down Oxford way. She often remarked that those with real money, mostly self made who were absolutely loaded were for the most part down to earth and actually quite nice people. Those with pretentions of being such on the other hand ,those who were on the way up so to speak were a different kettle of fish altogether and really quite unpleasant.
Truly "posh" people have a battered land rover or estate car full of dog hair n gun cartridges, frayed tattersall shirt collars etc. and are usually skint with leaking roofs to their castles
"Flash" cars are for the "nouveau riche" who feel the need to flaunt their vulgar wealth
See memoirs rt hon Alan Clarke "Backfire" (well worth a read) who had a vast collection of classics, usually bashed but bought for use, lived in a castle, all owned largely by the bank ...
"Flash" cars are for the "nouveau riche" who feel the need to flaunt their vulgar wealth
See memoirs rt hon Alan Clarke "Backfire" (well worth a read) who had a vast collection of classics, usually bashed but bought for use, lived in a castle, all owned largely by the bank ...
CGILLIE said:
Truly "posh" people have a battered land rover or estate car full of dog hair n gun cartridges, frayed tattersall shirt collars etc. and are usually skint with leaking roofs to their castles
What a load of b
ks. I tick all of the above boxes (castle aside) and don’t consider myself ‘posh’..... just skint. Who are the people in the Daimler? They’re actors, dressed as an eight year old might imagine successful people of that time dressed.
Rather than appealing to the people being so ham-fistedly portrayed, I suspect the target market was probably a different sort of stereotype - the mayor of some provincial town perhaps, or a rags-to-riches comedian with a gold Rolex and a drink problem.
Rather than appealing to the people being so ham-fistedly portrayed, I suspect the target market was probably a different sort of stereotype - the mayor of some provincial town perhaps, or a rags-to-riches comedian with a gold Rolex and a drink problem.
Edited by Risotto on Thursday 8th April 23:30
Trying to work out if I am posh.
Parents went to University-+1.
Grandparents never went to University -1
Grandfather went to Norwich grammar +1
Grandfather went to fight the war age 16 -1
Grandmother-in-law went to Oxford +1
Uncle-in-law was mayor of Oxford +1
Mother in law from small farm in Ireland -1
Wife and I degree at Cambridge University +1
Wife and I Cambridge state school educated -2
Me University Professor-0
I think that is net zero.
Must be why I still want a feckin Bentley not a 20 yr old Volvo estate.
Parents went to University-+1.
Grandparents never went to University -1
Grandfather went to Norwich grammar +1
Grandfather went to fight the war age 16 -1
Grandmother-in-law went to Oxford +1
Uncle-in-law was mayor of Oxford +1
Mother in law from small farm in Ireland -1
Wife and I degree at Cambridge University +1
Wife and I Cambridge state school educated -2
Me University Professor-0
I think that is net zero.
Must be why I still want a feckin Bentley not a 20 yr old Volvo estate.
Risotto said:
Who are the people in the Daimler? They’re actors, dressed as an eight year old might imagine successful people of that time dressed.
Rather than appealing to the people being so ham-fistedly portrayed, I suspect the target market was probably a different sort of stereotype - the mayor of some provincial town perhaps, or a rags-to-riches comedian with a gold Rolex and a drink problem.
Whaaat? You have shattered my dreams!!!! Actors, really?Rather than appealing to the people being so ham-fistedly portrayed, I suspect the target market was probably a different sort of stereotype - the mayor of some provincial town perhaps, or a rags-to-riches comedian with a gold Rolex and a drink problem.
Edited by Risotto on Thursday 8th April 23:30
Genuine Barn Find said:
CGILLIE said:
Truly "posh" people have a battered land rover or estate car full of dog hair n gun cartridges, frayed tattersall shirt collars etc. and are usually skint with leaking roofs to their castles
What a load of bks. I tick all of the above boxes (castle aside) and don’t consider myself ‘posh’..... just skint. CGILLIE said:
Genuine Barn Find said:
CGILLIE said:
Truly "posh" people have a battered land rover or estate car full of dog hair n gun cartridges, frayed tattersall shirt collars etc. and are usually skint with leaking roofs to their castles
What a load of bks. I tick all of the above boxes (castle aside) and don’t consider myself ‘posh’..... just skint. Harry Flashman said:
I'm Winchester and Oxford.
And I can tell you right now, there are more aspirational, pretend posh 2nd generation kids there than old money.
The people you describe are folks whose Dad did well in trade, and was already from a middle class family. They are the ones with signet rings with false family crests, and pretensions of nobility.
The true nobility I knew were invariably mental. Excess, excess, excess. Calmed down in old age to the realisation that there are expectations on them.the rich ones were as flash as hell, no exceptions.
Your view is exactly what I was referring to. A naive, fawning worldview successfully perpetuated by the upwardly mobile middle classes, who so desperately want to be “posh“. A romanticised view of class that has no basis in reality.
Bit of a generalisation there as I don’t consider myself posh or want to be truly posh so there !And I can tell you right now, there are more aspirational, pretend posh 2nd generation kids there than old money.
The people you describe are folks whose Dad did well in trade, and was already from a middle class family. They are the ones with signet rings with false family crests, and pretensions of nobility.
The true nobility I knew were invariably mental. Excess, excess, excess. Calmed down in old age to the realisation that there are expectations on them.the rich ones were as flash as hell, no exceptions.
Your view is exactly what I was referring to. A naive, fawning worldview successfully perpetuated by the upwardly mobile middle classes, who so desperately want to be “posh“. A romanticised view of class that has no basis in reality.
You are posher than me you went to Winchester and Oxford which would have needed money to get to Winchester.
I think there are just people out there who don’t know how to have money and be understated. Hence despise the old money whispers thing and no class.
Loads of new money / fake rich hating on the loaded posh old money on this thread. Haven’t they got any courses to sell in how they got their Lamborghini and private jet ?
Edited by 161BMW on Friday 9th April 08:45
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