What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?
Discussion
161BMW said:
otolith said:
NomduJour said:
Amused when it’s labelled as an English thing - passing judgment on those considered your social inferiors happens everywhere.
It's not the sneering that's unusual, it's the bootlicking.
You know your place, clearly.
NomduJour said:
Amused when it’s labelled as an English thing - passing judgment on those considered your social inferiors happens everywhere.
Indeed. The 'English' element is that we don't beat them, kill them, enslave them any more. But also, the English class system that many knew has long gone. For a long time wealth has not been the preserve of the inherited land owner. There are probably 100 times the number of Britons today with middle class incomes but possibly fewer people with middle class incomes actually living what was once middle class lifestyles than there were 40 years ago.
The class system of old that people still think about is long gone. The massive economic expansion from being a small, wealthy country at a time of enormous global wealth creation makes this current era more akin the Georgian era of the industrial revolution when new wealth exploded and thousands of McManshuns were built and blokes ponced around dressed like Jimmy Saville in drag.
The bizarre irony being that people now fawn over those gaudy, bling buildings as if it makes them closer to royalty.
What will be interesting is that over the next 30 years there will be a monumental explosion in the numbers of Trustafarians and this time without any of the altruism of the super wealthy who suddenly felt the need to line God's pockets as they edged closer to the Pearly Gates.
As for what happened to the lifestyle the OP mentioned, there were only a very few people living that lifestyle. The type probably still exists but they are simply dwarfed by the numbers of new global wealthy that have been created by the most superb democratisation of wealth that new technology has ever bought.
DonkeyApple said:
NomduJour said:
Amused when it’s labelled as an English thing - passing judgment on those considered your social inferiors happens everywhere.
Indeed. The 'English' element is that we don't beat them, kill them, enslave them any more. But also, the English class system that many knew has long gone. For a long time wealth has not been the preserve of the inherited land owner. There are probably 100 times the number of Britons today with middle class incomes but possibly fewer people with middle class incomes actually living what was once middle class lifestyles than there were 40 years ago.
The class system of old that people still think about is long gone. The massive economic expansion from being a small, wealthy country at a time of enormous global wealth creation makes this current era more akin the Georgian era of the industrial revolution when new wealth exploded and thousands of McManshuns were built and blokes ponced around dressed like Jimmy Saville in drag.
The bizarre irony being that people now fawn over those gaudy, bling buildings as if it makes them closer to royalty.
What will be interesting is that over the next 30 years there will be a monumental explosion in the numbers of Trustafarians and this time without any of the altruism of the super wealthy who suddenly felt the need to line God's pockets as they edged closer to the Pearly Gates.
As for what happened to the lifestyle the OP mentioned, there were only a very few people living that lifestyle. The type probably still exists but they are simply dwarfed by the numbers of new global wealthy that have been created by the most superb democratisation of wealth that new technology has ever bought.
Talking of wealth beyond most peoples' imagination, A friend's son was getting married, and the cost of the wedding, given the family status of the bride, was going to be humungous. So he asked his fiancée if she would be able to help out. Her reply was immortal. "Hmm, I think I have a farm or two in my trust fund". The father, on visiting to discuss the marriage, was picked up at the station and driven to the house. 25 miles from the house the driver announced " you are now on the family's land".
Flumpo said:
DonkeyApple said:
NomduJour said:
Amused when it’s labelled as an English thing - passing judgment on those considered your social inferiors happens everywhere.
Indeed. The 'English' element is that we don't beat them, kill them, enslave them any more. But also, the English class system that many knew has long gone. For a long time wealth has not been the preserve of the inherited land owner. There are probably 100 times the number of Britons today with middle class incomes but possibly fewer people with middle class incomes actually living what was once middle class lifestyles than there were 40 years ago.
The class system of old that people still think about is long gone. The massive economic expansion from being a small, wealthy country at a time of enormous global wealth creation makes this current era more akin the Georgian era of the industrial revolution when new wealth exploded and thousands of McManshuns were built and blokes ponced around dressed like Jimmy Saville in drag.
The bizarre irony being that people now fawn over those gaudy, bling buildings as if it makes them closer to royalty.
What will be interesting is that over the next 30 years there will be a monumental explosion in the numbers of Trustafarians and this time without any of the altruism of the super wealthy who suddenly felt the need to line God's pockets as they edged closer to the Pearly Gates.
As for what happened to the lifestyle the OP mentioned, there were only a very few people living that lifestyle. The type probably still exists but they are simply dwarfed by the numbers of new global wealthy that have been created by the most superb democratisation of wealth that new technology has ever bought.
sosidge said:
Flumpo said:
I know a few people who have just got tesla cars and virtue signalling isn’t their motivation and doesn’t even come into it.
For them Tesla is sub zero cool and the must have brand and product. The fact the small model is very affordable on company car schemes means it’s spreading quickly.
It seems for some it’s the latest Apple phenomenon of must have thing.
Obviously this is only based on the small sample of people I have spoken to and won’t represent everyone. One person did tell me they are saving a fortune through tax and petrol, but again that wasn’t linked to virtue signalling.
You've basically described virtue signalling. It's the must have brand and product. i.e. people want to be seen in them. And why are Tesla's a must-have brand? Because they are "saving the world".For them Tesla is sub zero cool and the must have brand and product. The fact the small model is very affordable on company car schemes means it’s spreading quickly.
It seems for some it’s the latest Apple phenomenon of must have thing.
Obviously this is only based on the small sample of people I have spoken to and won’t represent everyone. One person did tell me they are saving a fortune through tax and petrol, but again that wasn’t linked to virtue signalling.
otolith said:
161BMW said:
otolith said:
NomduJour said:
Amused when it’s labelled as an English thing - passing judgment on those considered your social inferiors happens everywhere.
It's not the sneering that's unusual, it's the bootlicking.You know your place, clearly.
Edited by 161BMW on Friday 9th April 14:10
I think a lot of this alludes to "The Establishment", for example Fifty/sixty/seventy years ago if you saw a Rolls Royce or other expensive car it was generally a wealthy industrialist, Landed Gentry, Royalty or whatever.
Most folk didnt have cars, and if they did they were generally pretty basic.
Nowadays, you see loads of posh cars, many more than back then so seems to be a bit more attainable.
But there seems to be a hankering for the old days where you knew someone was rich if they had a properly expensive car, they were probably "well bred" and all that and the Class Sketch, but the apple cart has been well and truly toppled by finance and talent being better rewarded regardless of background.
It seems strange to eulogise folk, that in a lot of cases were just given vast amounts of money by birth, but on the other hand we have the sneering about Footballers driving Bentleys etc. One got given it via luck of birth and the other has talent, yet we dont seem to like the rappers, footballers or TV/YouTube folk having nice things, like its not right, they are only for the proper rich doffs cap, tugs forelock.
Obviously there will be loads of shades of grey, talented toffs and whatever but when you weigh it up seems a bit back to front.
Most folk didnt have cars, and if they did they were generally pretty basic.
Nowadays, you see loads of posh cars, many more than back then so seems to be a bit more attainable.
But there seems to be a hankering for the old days where you knew someone was rich if they had a properly expensive car, they were probably "well bred" and all that and the Class Sketch, but the apple cart has been well and truly toppled by finance and talent being better rewarded regardless of background.
It seems strange to eulogise folk, that in a lot of cases were just given vast amounts of money by birth, but on the other hand we have the sneering about Footballers driving Bentleys etc. One got given it via luck of birth and the other has talent, yet we dont seem to like the rappers, footballers or TV/YouTube folk having nice things, like its not right, they are only for the proper rich doffs cap, tugs forelock.
Obviously there will be loads of shades of grey, talented toffs and whatever but when you weigh it up seems a bit back to front.
alec.e said:
Around our way, there are quite a few very well off, elderely folk.
The weapon of choice, a knackered Subaru? No, 9/10 one of these, nearly always with a dateless plate:
This. Absolutely the best car for posh, old money style people.The weapon of choice, a knackered Subaru? No, 9/10 one of these, nearly always with a dateless plate:
But it mustn't have any of the following, as this will turn any FFRR into a chav mobile:
- privacy glass
- chav numberplate
- black lettering
- black or loud exterior colour
- black wheels
A simple FFRR in dark blue/green or maybe grey, with clear glass and (relatively) small silver wheels is an absolute perfect car for OP's intended targets.
Filibuster said:
alec.e said:
Around our way, there are quite a few very well off, elderely folk.
The weapon of choice, a knackered Subaru? No, 9/10 one of these, nearly always with a dateless plate:
This. Absolutely the best car for posh, old money style people.The weapon of choice, a knackered Subaru? No, 9/10 one of these, nearly always with a dateless plate:
But it mustn't have any of the following, as this will turn any FFRR into a chav mobile:
- privacy glass
- chav numberplate
- black lettering
- black or loud exterior colour
- black wheels
A simple FFRR in dark blue/green or maybe grey, with clear glass and (relatively) small silver wheels is an absolute perfect car for OP's intended targets.
But the most useful, versatile and ultimately comfortable car I have ever owned is a FFRR. I understand why people who could have any car have one of those.
DonkeyApple said:
That's really the USP of the Range Rover, that anyone from anywhere can drive one and that you can go anywhere and park anywhere. They have a social ubiquity that few expensive cars have and most premium car manufacturers would die for.
It’s a unique facade. A largely unreliable brand, with a glossy veneer. It’s a good job they can park anywhere 
ddom said:
DonkeyApple said:
That's really the USP of the Range Rover, that anyone from anywhere can drive one and that you can go anywhere and park anywhere. They have a social ubiquity that few expensive cars have and most premium car manufacturers would die for.
It’s a unique facade. A largely unreliable brand, with a glossy veneer. It’s a good job they can park anywhere DonkeyApple said:
That's really the USP of the Range Rover, that anyone from anywhere can drive one and that you can go anywhere and park anywhere. They have a social ubiquity that few expensive cars have and most premium car manufacturers would die for.
I thought that was the VW Golf ?Before the chavs and the footballers took over RR I thought were firmly driven by rich types or toffs or old money not by the Poors.
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