RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!

[is1]

MiseryStreak said:

They’ve nicked the forged BBS wheels from the GR Yaris’ circuit pack! Bloody cheek...

I'm not so sure, same design, but they don't have "FORGED" embossed on the outer bead of the wheel. Unless I just can't see it.
The GR Yaris ones are apparently £1,200 plus VAT each, so not sure they'd be knocking them out on various models.

[Kawasicki]

DuncanM said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I really like that.

Used it to move some stuff to my lads new home, surprisingly big boot with seats down

I can see the large trunk in the picture

[spikyone]

white_goodman said:

spikyone said:

SidewaysSi said:

samoht said:

white_goodman said:

Does anyone know if this has a bit more interior space than the old one? I badly wanted a GT86 to replace my old MINI Cooper but ended up with a boring Golf instead because the GT86 was ridiculously cramped in the back, even for my small children.

I doubt it, since it's on the same platform. Possibly 5mm longer wheelbase (Autocar), 25mm longer total - a whole inch. Unless they've somehow saved space somewhere with thinner seats or something, I expect the interior will be exactly the same size as the original.

Yep nuts isn't it - I would happily have had this as an occasional family car but rear room was the killer. A real shame.

So after all the complaining that it's not fast enough in a drag race, we're now onto not enough space inside? People really have no clue what this car is about... It's a bloody sports car. You're lucky it has more than 2 seats!

I never complained about the performance of the old car! I think that there are a lot of family men/women who would love to drive a sporty coupe, hence the popularity of the Capri, Manta and Scirrocco in the 70s/80s, even into the 90s with cars like the Celica, Calibra, Puma, Tigra etc. I had a Corrado VR6 in the 2000s and that could accommodate 4 adults easily. Without the need of having to cart sprogs around occasionally, I'd probably be driving something like a Cayman. My bar was hardly high, if the rear space was comparable to my R56 MINI (far from being a limo in the back) then I would have gone for the GT86. I'm not expecting to drive 6 foot adults around in the back but if there was an affordable sporty coupe, that I could fit my 6 and 8 year old into the back of without chopping off their legs, it would be nice to have that choice over a regular hatchback.

I wasn't suggesting it was you complaining about the 0-60 times, and honestly my reply was more to SidewaysSi who thinks it's a shame they didn't compromise it as a sports car to make it family-friendly - which is a bit silly. It's not supposed to be a practical family-friendly car, and I stand by what I said, you're lucky it has more than 2 seats. MX5 aside, I can't think of any other sports car (not something based on a saloon/hatch) that has more than 2 seats right now.
Adding more space to the 86 would've made it bigger and heavier (slower) and led to other compromises. There are other coupe options if you want to carry passengers, but they're mostly based on saloons/hatches like most of that list of older cars.

[TameRacingDriver]

Really liking this. For me it looks a lot nicer and more modern inside and out, and hopefully this addresses the criticisms of the old car, i.e. the torque dip, characterless engine, relatively slow performance. Should be a great package.

As for the Nissan engine sounding bad, I nearly spat my beer all over my laptop. It might be a bit strangled from the factory, but a couple of inexpensive mods and it sounds every bit a poor mans supercar. Mine remains the finest sounding vehicle I've ever owned.

[DuncanM]

spikyone said:

I wasn't suggesting it was you complaining about the 0-60 times, and honestly my reply was more to SidewaysSi who thinks it's a shame they didn't compromise it as a sports car to make it family-friendly - which is a bit silly. It's not supposed to be a practical family-friendly car, and I stand by what I said, you're lucky it has more than 2 seats. MX5 aside, I can't think of any other sports car (not something based on a saloon/hatch) that has more than 2 seats right now.
Adding more space to the 86 would've made it bigger and heavier (slower) and led to other compromises. There are other coupe options if you want to carry passengers, but they're mostly based on saloons/hatches like most of that list of older cars.

My lad has a 2013 C class coupe, really bloody nice car, with massive back seats and boot space. It's a very nice car to drive, but not even close to being a sports car.

The GT86 is quite single minded, the rear seats and moderate boot are great considering.

[cerb4.5lee]

TameRacingDriver said:

As for the Nissan engine sounding bad, I nearly spat my beer all over my laptop. It might be a bit strangled from the factory, but a couple of inexpensive mods and it sounds every bit a poor mans supercar. Mine remains the finest sounding vehicle I've ever owned.

Agree and my 370Z is easily one of the best sounding cars that I've had(to my ears). With the stillen intakes/HFC's/full stainless exhaust it genuinely reminds me of my Cerbera at really high revs. It isn't especially quick(and it never really feels it either), but my god the noise it makes is awesome.

One of the parents at my daughters school said to me that it sounds like thunder the other day...I was happy with that!

[TameRacingDriver]

cerb4.5lee said:

Agree and my 370Z is easily one of the best sounding cars that I've had(to my ears). With the stillen intakes/HFC's/full stainless exhaust it genuinely reminds me of my Cerbera at really high revs. It isn't especially quick(and it never really feels it either), but my god the noise it makes is awesome.

One of the parents at my daughters school said to me that it sounds like thunder the other day...I was happy with that!

A TVR has always been somewhat out of reach for me for various reasons, but I always used to think of my 350Z Roadster with its mods as a 'Japanese TVR'. Despite its dynamic failings (too heavy/blunt basically), I loved that car, it was always an event.

[white_goodman]

spikyone said:

white_goodman said:

spikyone said:

SidewaysSi said:

samoht said:

white_goodman said:

Does anyone know if this has a bit more interior space than the old one? I badly wanted a GT86 to replace my old MINI Cooper but ended up with a boring Golf instead because the GT86 was ridiculously cramped in the back, even for my small children.

I doubt it, since it's on the same platform. Possibly 5mm longer wheelbase (Autocar), 25mm longer total - a whole inch. Unless they've somehow saved space somewhere with thinner seats or something, I expect the interior will be exactly the same size as the original.

Yep nuts isn't it - I would happily have had this as an occasional family car but rear room was the killer. A real shame.

So after all the complaining that it's not fast enough in a drag race, we're now onto not enough space inside? People really have no clue what this car is about... It's a bloody sports car. You're lucky it has more than 2 seats!

I never complained about the performance of the old car! I think that there are a lot of family men/women who would love to drive a sporty coupe, hence the popularity of the Capri, Manta and Scirrocco in the 70s/80s, even into the 90s with cars like the Celica, Calibra, Puma, Tigra etc. I had a Corrado VR6 in the 2000s and that could accommodate 4 adults easily. Without the need of having to cart sprogs around occasionally, I'd probably be driving something like a Cayman. My bar was hardly high, if the rear space was comparable to my R56 MINI (far from being a limo in the back) then I would have gone for the GT86. I'm not expecting to drive 6 foot adults around in the back but if there was an affordable sporty coupe, that I could fit my 6 and 8 year old into the back of without chopping off their legs, it would be nice to have that choice over a regular hatchback.

I wasn't suggesting it was you complaining about the 0-60 times, and honestly my reply was more to SidewaysSi who thinks it's a shame they didn't compromise it as a sports car to make it family-friendly - which is a bit silly. It's not supposed to be a practical family-friendly car, and I stand by what I said, you're lucky it has more than 2 seats. MX5 aside, I can't think of any other sports car (not something based on a saloon/hatch) that has more than 2 seats right now.
Adding more space to the 86 would've made it bigger and heavier (slower) and led to other compromises. There are other coupe options if you want to carry passengers, but they're mostly based on saloons/hatches like most of that list of older cars.

Fair enough, it's more of a personal disappointment than a criticism of the car, as it would have suited me down to the ground in my 20s. I guess most of the 90s coupes were hatch/saloon-based, with the possible exception of the 200SX (never been in one, so I can't honestly say whether the rear seats are roomier than the GT86 or not) and DC2 Integra Type-R. I have sat in the back of the Integra and there is more space, although marginal headroom for an adult. Not sure if one could call it a sports car being FWD though. The closest modern car to a GT86 with useable rear seats that I can think of is a BMW M235i/240i. Bit more expensive than the GT86, hatchback-based and a little gawky-looking. I doubt that the steering/handling is as good as the GT86 (I haven't driven one) and it's a little lardy but it does have a peachier engine.

[zestyfesty]

Well done Toyobaru. Even if it’s a reskin with fresh engine, it will both address the engine mid-range criticisms and continue to offer the enthusiast a fresh alternative to the largely generic platforms now being produced. An uncomplicated delight is the first gen car, this shouldn’t be any different. And a plethora of these on the used market for decades to come. I also think performance is perfectly suited to road use. I’m reminded of this every time I drive my Evo with a bit of gusto, which feels like a blowtorch best reserved for closed roads/circuits

[aka_kerrly]

Pommy said:

Both of those mock ups look good , the hatch has hints of BMW Z3 & FF about it

Toyota do have form for making soft tops , as far as i know every previous generation of Celicas was available as a convertible

[_ppan]

cerb4.5lee said:

This is a good point. I'd only ever had NA engined cars from 1990 to 2002, then I got my 200SX(2.0 turbo) and I saw the light. Then a few years later I experienced a 330d for 6 years(still had a NA engine in my Cerbera though), and the effortlessness of the 330d spoilt me I think.

I genuinely don't want to thrash the backside off a car with a NA engine to get the performance in a daily driver(fine for an occasional car though I reckon). My 330i felt laughably gutless after I'd had experience of the 330d for example.

If you want effortless get an EV. Nothing better for daily driving. In the weekend though I want my N/A MX5.

[cerb4.5lee]

_ppan said:

cerb4.5lee said:

This is a good point. I'd only ever had NA engined cars from 1990 to 2002, then I got my 200SX(2.0 turbo) and I saw the light. Then a few years later I experienced a 330d for 6 years(still had a NA engine in my Cerbera though), and the effortlessness of the 330d spoilt me I think.

I genuinely don't want to thrash the backside off a car with a NA engine to get the performance in a daily driver(fine for an occasional car though I reckon). My 330i felt laughably gutless after I'd had experience of the 330d for example.

If you want effortless get an EV. Nothing better for daily driving. In the weekend though I want my N/A MX5.

I do find it difficult to get excited about an EV, however I think that you are spot on and I would really appreciate their effortlessness for sure.

[Shaqq]

aka_kerrly said:

Pommy said:

Both of those mock ups look good , the hatch has hints of BMW Z3 & FF about it

Toyota do have form for making soft tops , as far as i know every previous generation of Celicas was available as a convertible

Gen 3 - 6 of the Celica came with a convertible option, would love to see another MR2 Roadster one day!

[TameRacingDriver]

Shaqq said:

Gen 3 - 6 of the Celica came with a convertible option, would love to see another MR2 Roadster one day!

With the Elise buggering off soon there would seem to be a nice opening in the market for a mid engined RWD sports car. Although I doubt enough people would buy them now to make it worthwhile; I believe the MR2 Roadster was a bit of a flop in part due to its lack of any practicality whatsoever!

[MiseryStreak]

They should do a new MR2, and they would have to call it the GR2 I think, despite it making no sense, at least it wouldn’t sound like st in French.

So we would have the:

GR4 (what the Yaris should have been called)
GR86
GR2
GRZ4 (Supra)

[GR_WILL]

Simon Owen said:

GR_WILL said:

Simon Owen said:

MyV10BarksAndBites said:

If it s a "real" 235hp... Then great!!!

That is a very valid point !!! The old one was nowhere near the claimed output in my experience. Mine was circa 20bhp down on the claimed manufacturers figures. Even NA fettled it only made 205bhp.

What did you fuel it on? Tesco 99 or Vpower? Or just 95 RON.

Those figures were on 95 (frustratingly) so before and after figures would both have been a bit better on better fuel.

I thought so. The owners manual states the use of higher octane fuel, as does the inside of the fuel cap.

I’m not having a pop btw, it’s just every time I’ve read about GT86’s not matching claimed figures it’s because the owner has put 95 RON fuel in against manufacturers guidelines. Use the good stuff on a car like that :-)

[wisbech]

s m said:

Pommy said:

MC Bodge said:

CABC said:

it still won't sell in UK. price too high here, not that practical and not open top. enthusiasts should be grateful Toyota still choose to sell it here!

As I've said before, there are a few around here and a couple in my works car park. They are not as rare as some might suggest.

200,000 86's sold, 10,000 of which in UK.

Here in Oz they sold 20,000 yet have 1/3rd population of UK.

What price are they in Oz out of interest?

Here in Perth, 36,700 for GT manual, 45,000 for a GTS manual with all the add ons

so about 20.4k to 23.3k

[braddo]

GR_WILL said:

I thought so. The owners manual states the use of higher octane fuel, as does the inside of the fuel cap.

I’m not having a pop btw, it’s just every time I’ve read about GT86’s not matching claimed figures it’s because the owner has put 95 RON fuel in against manufacturers guidelines. Use the good stuff on a car like that :-)

It would intresting to know if the wrong fuel is the main cause of these cars apparently not making the claimed power.

It has become a 'fact' around these parts but meanwhile over the in the US people were managing to get 0-60 well under 7 secs (albeit brutally), which is hard to imagine if there really were only making 180hp.

[Miserablegit]

Even my lawnmower gets the good stuff!

[LightningBlue]

Looks pretty good to me. I liked the original too but sadly this type of car has been in decline for a while and there’s not all that many around. People need to get back into fun coupes rather than dreary jacked up hatchbacks. Can imagine this would be great fun a flowing B road