RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!
Discussion
Om said:
I am curious why you say it doesn't feel that quick. Mine is to me very quick. Certainly quicker than a Golf R though I am sure slower than an M4...
I think that it is the way that the power is actually delivered mainly(max power at 7000rpm). I never actually feel like it lacks torque though(it has been remapped which I think helps), but it only really starts to pick up properly at around 5000/5500rpm, and you do have to rev it right out to get the best from it. I think because I've mostly been used to turbo cars in recent years I'm probably a lot more critical of it than I should be though, and I have to remember that there is a lot of joy to be had in revving a car right out to it's redline(7500rpm in this case)...rather than riding the wave of massive torque that you get from a turbo car.
TameRacingDriver said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The great thing about the 400Z will be the Twin Turbo engine for me(if what we are led to believe is true), turbos are great at hiding the weight of the car I reckon. 
I love my 370Z big time, but it's naturally aspirated engine doesn't deal with it's weight(well the lack of torque/max power at 7000rpm anyway) that well being fair for me.
I know what you mean, for me it wasn't so much the raw performance that bothered me, it was the effect on the handling and braking, it was alright for what it was, but you knew it was a heavy car. Funnily enough my R53 feels faster and yet in theory its 75 bhp down, but thats the effect of a small, light, agile car, with a decent chunk of power. The Z never felt particularly quick, was matched by a 330d, CTR, etc, but it made up for it with the noise.I love my 370Z big time, but it's naturally aspirated engine doesn't deal with it's weight(well the lack of torque/max power at 7000rpm anyway) that well being fair for me.
If I had a GT86, I'd be thinking of ways to fix its flaws, because the fundamentals are spot on. Fix the torque dip and supercharge, and this car becomes a serious bit of kit in my eyes. I think I'd be happy with a reliable 250 bhp with a supercharger, would give the car some character, a lot more muscle, nicer noise etc while keeping it's N/A feel, and hit that magic 200 bhp/ton. I love the supercharger in my Mini, and had a SC'd Mk1 MX5 for a while. It really feels like you've got a much bigger engine. Worth considering, not cheap, but much cheaper than buying a different car that could match it as an all round proposition.
Kawasicki said:
an awful lot of the heavy feeling of Nissan coupes is possibly down to the suspension tuning, which is, in my opinion, pretty frickin‘ bad.
is it also due to weight location? engine too far forward? i always wanted to love the Zeds, but something made them feel heavier than their actual weight.CABC said:
Kawasicki said:
an awful lot of the heavy feeling of Nissan coupes is possibly down to the suspension tuning, which is, in my opinion, pretty frickin‘ bad.
is it also due to weight location? engine too far forward? i always wanted to love the Zeds, but something made them feel heavier than their actual weight.
CABC said:
Kawasicki said:
No, I think it rides and handles like it does because of the suspension tune, rather than the layout of the car.
ok.so, for 1-2k you can transform an otherwise ok zed to a great driving machine. i'm tempted to try as so many other aspects are good.
JmatthewB said:
braddo said:
It would intresting to know if the wrong fuel is the main cause of these cars apparently not making the claimed power.
It has become a 'fact' around these parts but meanwhile over the in the US people were managing to get 0-60 well under 7 secs (albeit brutally), which is hard to imagine if there really were only making 180hp.
I wonder if the stock Primacy tyres hold back the official 0-60 time? Grippier rubber might knock half a second off the time.It has become a 'fact' around these parts but meanwhile over the in the US people were managing to get 0-60 well under 7 secs (albeit brutally), which is hard to imagine if there really were only making 180hp.
I always run my 86 on V-power but I'm going island hopping in west Scotland in the summer. With no V-Power west of Glasgow and limited Super Unleaded availability would octane booster be recommended with 95 RON?
EVO managed a 6.9 run though, not sure whether 2up and full tank like Autocar
U.S. mags always seem to get better figures but that is true for most stuff tested, often down to test conditions and techniques.
I suspect the extra shift at around 60 doesn’t help the Toyota. My cheap rwd-er suffers the same ( 2 changes to hit 60 ) and would undoubtedly be a smidge quicker on the 60 timings if 2nd/3rd change was at 62!
Fatter tyres than 205 on it would also help no doubt!
So Farrah & Cammisa are raving about this revised model.
I'm surprised there is not even 5% of the chatter / enthusiasm for this compared to the Yaris.
This is the rear driver after all.
It should be the more rewarding steer?????
It could be a brilliant 30k car.
Especially if there is no bunfight b
ks to encounter on the ordering process.
Anyone approached a Toyota dealer about availability ?
I'm surprised there is not even 5% of the chatter / enthusiasm for this compared to the Yaris.
This is the rear driver after all.
It should be the more rewarding steer?????
It could be a brilliant 30k car.
Especially if there is no bunfight b
ks to encounter on the ordering process.Anyone approached a Toyota dealer about availability ?
Rsx Boy said:
So Farrah & Cammisa are raving about this revised model.
I'm surprised there is not even 5% of the chatter / enthusiasm for this compared to the Yaris.
This is the rear driver after all.
It should be the more rewarding steer?????
It could be a brilliant 30k car.
Especially if there is no bunfight bks to encounter on the ordering process.
Anyone approached a Toyota dealer about availability ?
I've seen a couple of GR Yaris owners asking on 86/BRZ groups when these are going to be available to test drive in the UK as they think the new 86 will be the more fun car even if it isn't as quick. I'm surprised there is not even 5% of the chatter / enthusiasm for this compared to the Yaris.
This is the rear driver after all.
It should be the more rewarding steer?????
It could be a brilliant 30k car.
Especially if there is no bunfight b
ks to encounter on the ordering process.Anyone approached a Toyota dealer about availability ?
I'd have the GR86 over the GRY any day of the week. The GRY is clearly a very good car, but one that would seem to flatter the driver by doing most of the work. By all accounts, they are virtually unflappable, which is fun in its own way, but personally I like to be challenged a little. The GR86 also imo looks better and has a much more driver focused cabin, as well as a superior driving position.
TameRacingDriver said:
I'd have the GR86 over the GRY any day of the week. The GRY is clearly a very good car, but one that would seem to flatter the driver by doing most of the work. By all accounts, they are virtually unflappable, which is fun in its own way, but personally I like to be challenged a little. The GR86 also imo looks better and has a much more driver focused cabin, as well as a superior driving position.
+1. I think that the GR86 could be a very sought after car when you consider the move to electric etc. It is really good that Toyota are still making cars like this I reckon.
DriveClive said:
Anyone else shocked by the abysmal MPG figures quoted for this car?! Claimed 21 MPG combined for the manual , so in real terms you’ll be lucky to get 18mpg out of this car.
Can someone who understands this more explain what on earth is going on? Haha
Are you quoting US or imperial gallons?Can someone who understands this more explain what on earth is going on? Haha
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