RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!

[LeoSayer]

I registered on the Toyota website months ago for updates on the GR86 and haven't had a single email from them.

I may pop into my local Toyota dealer to see what's happening.

[someday]

Rsx Boy said:

So Farrah & Cammisa are raving about this revised model.
I'm surprised there is not even 5% of the chatter / enthusiasm for this compared to the Yaris.

This is the rear driver after all.
It should be the more rewarding steer?????

It could be a brilliant 30k car.
Especially if there is no bunfight bks to encounter on the ordering process.

Anyone approached a Toyota dealer about availability ?

Salesman I spoke to said I'd be able to order one in May

[DriveClive]

Kawasicki said:

Are you quoting US or imperial gallons?

I’ve no idea

[DriveClive]

someday said:

Salesman I spoke to said I'd be able to order one in May

Wonder if there’ll be a GRMN86 down the line …

[cerb4.5lee]

I went on the US Toyota website and it said 22mpg combined on there for the manual. The E92 M3 manual I had was 22mpg combined as well. So it does seem thirsty for a 4 cylinder 2.4 NA engine. The M3 had a 4.0 NA V8 in comparison.

[glazbagun]

LeoSayer said:

I registered on the Toyota website months ago for updates on the GR86 and haven't had a single email from them.

I may pop into my local Toyota dealer to see what's happening.

Likewise.

[DuncanM]

cerb4.5lee said:

I went on the US Toyota website and it said 22mpg combined on there for the manual. The E92 M3 manual I had was 22mpg combined as well. So it does seem thirsty for a 4 cylinder 2.4 NA engine. The M3 had a 4.0 NA V8 in comparison.

I get 35mpg average, and can easily get 45mpg on a run if granny driving.

Unless something has gone terribly wrong, I'd expect a couple less mpg, but not that bad

[Save Ferris]

glazbagun said:

LeoSayer said:

I registered on the Toyota website months ago for updates on the GR86 and haven't had a single email from them.

I may pop into my local Toyota dealer to see what's happening.

Likewise.

Nothing to update publicly yet, production is due to start March/April.

The UK should start seeing them July-ish

[Leon R]

cerb4.5lee said:

I went on the US Toyota website and it said 22mpg combined on there for the manual. The E92 M3 manual I had was 22mpg combined as well. So it does seem thirsty for a 4 cylinder 2.4 NA engine. The M3 had a 4.0 NA V8 in comparison.

Did you take into account that U.S gallons and imperial gallons are not the same?

[samoht]

DriveClive said:

Kawasicki said:

Are you quoting US or imperial gallons?

I’ve no idea

The GR86 has been launched in the US first, so those numbers are in US gallons, which are ~20% smaller than ours.

https://www.calculateme.com/gas-mileage/us-mpg-to-...

22 mpg US = 26.5 mpg UK.

The current GT86 seems to be rated at 24mpg combined over there, so looks like official economy has gone down ~10% with the 20% bigger engine.

I think the N/A manual GT86 & GR86 are likely to have real world figures that compare much more favourably to the official stats than most downsized turbo automatics, which can be "optimised" for good official numbers that don't translate to real world experience.

[cerb4.5lee]

samoht said:

DriveClive said:

Kawasicki said:

Are you quoting US or imperial gallons?

I’ve no idea

The GR86 has been launched in the US first, so those numbers are in US gallons, which are ~20% smaller than ours.

https://www.calculateme.com/gas-mileage/us-mpg-to-...

22 mpg US = 26.5 mpg UK.

The current GT86 seems to be rated at 24mpg combined over there, so looks like official economy has gone down ~10% with the 20% bigger engine.

I think the N/A manual GT86 & GR86 are likely to have real world figures that compare much more favourably to the official stats than most downsized turbo automatics, which can be "optimised" for good official numbers that don't translate to real world experience.

26.5 mpg combined is still a bit rough for a 4 cylinder engine I reckon.

[cerb4.5lee]

DuncanM said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I went on the US Toyota website and it said 22mpg combined on there for the manual. The E92 M3 manual I had was 22mpg combined as well. So it does seem thirsty for a 4 cylinder 2.4 NA engine. The M3 had a 4.0 NA V8 in comparison.

I get 35mpg average, and can easily get 45mpg on a run if granny driving.

Unless something has gone terribly wrong, I'd expect a couple less mpg, but not that bad

The GR86 does seem poor mpg wise I agree. I only get 22mpg out of the 370Z, but I'm happy to accept that because it is an ancient engine, and it is at least a 3.7 V6 though.

The M4 is currently doing 28.7 mpg, which imo is very decent given the performance that it offers.

[Leon R]

What did the S2000 do MPG wise?

[WRumbled]

Leon R said:

What did the S2000 do MPG wise?

Mine was around the 25mpg mark.

[cerb4.5lee]

Leon R said:

What did the S2000 do MPG wise?

That has a really old engine in it though, and this is a brand new car being launched in 2022 in comparison.

[cerb4.5lee]

Am I correct in thinking that the engine in the GT/GR86 are based on the old Impreza Turbo engines from years ago? Is that why they are so poor generally on fuel then? Genuine question.

It seems mad to me that a relatively small engine launched in a car in 2022 would be so poor on fuel, especially when you consider the advances in technology etc.

[Leon R]

What other 2.0 + N/A with 200hp are you comparing it to?

[DriveClive]

Leon R said:

What other 2.0 + N/A with 200hp are you comparing it to?

Ummm z4 ,boxter , cayman , Evora , 330i to name but a few

[Leon R]

Of those only the Evora is N/A and that just scrapes 30mpg and they stopped producing it (the N/A one) about 10 years ago.

Edited by Leon R on Saturday 22 January 16:31

[cerb4.5lee]

Leon R said:

What other 2.0 + N/A with 200hp are you comparing it to?

It just seems like a very thirsty engine to me for the bhp/torque/performance that it offers that's all. I'm a tight git though, so I generally prefer cars that offer more bhp/torque/performance for the mpg than this.