RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!
Discussion
And the Yaris is lighter!
Simon Owen said:
£30k car vs £50k car plus or minus a few £k ?
Plus it's a very different car at the cork-sniffing level - which may or may not translate into a very different car.Front engine vs mid
NA vs turbo
Manual (with an auto option at a guess) vs DCT
I'd guess more and more usable cargo space in the 86 as well?
I see the appeal in both (and I'd probably still have bought the A110). I know it's a bit unfair of me to base my opinion of Toyota on the awful Avensis I had about fifteen years ago (and the awful dealers I encountered), but this and the Yaris and the Supra seem a world apart from the Toyota I knew. I'm rather impressed with them.
Also this looks, to me, much better than the previous 86. A bit cleaner and sleeker maybe. Anyone else see a hint of 370Z in that front 3/4 view?
Mabbs9 said:
I like the look of this but I'm currently thinking of getting the original version. Can anyone advise a good place to discuss the GT-86? Not much chat on PH, FB groups any better? Sorry for the drift 
GT86.org.uk is good for UK chat, there's a huge international community for the various gt86 iterations.Gt86ownersclub.co.uk is another one
As an owner, as long as you're happy to use the full rev range, the original 86 is an absolute gem of a car.
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.
But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting? But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
SilverCider said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Easy OEM upgrade on the cards and maybe reasonable consumable costs too?Unless they've changed the hubs (which would seem unlikely).
Any thoughts on why it seems to be predominantly the Japanese manufacturers that are bringing out 'affordable' sporty coupes/roadsters?
Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
SidewaysSi said:
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.
But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting? But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
Om said:
Any thoughts on why it seems to be predominantly the Japanese manufacturers that are bringing out 'affordable' sporty coupes/roadsters?
Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
Joe public doesnt buy these cars, so they dont make money. So, the majority of manufactuers keep away. Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
Om said:
Any thoughts on why it seems to be predominantly the Japanese manufacturers that are bringing out 'affordable' sporty coupes/roadsters?
Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
I think their target markets are the JDM, Australia and US. If they sell some cars in Europe, then yes, as you say, thats a bonus.Nothing vaguely comparable seems to be coming from the usual Euro manufacturers. Is it simply that they have big markets elsewhere that can support relatively low volume cars and we just get some of them in Europe as a bonus?
They tend to be priced and marketed differently elsewhere though. Typically the cars are cheaper and aimed at a younger market.
Mabbs9 said:
I like the look of this but I'm currently thinking of getting the original version. Can anyone advise a good place to discuss the GT-86? Not much chat on PH, FB groups any better? Sorry for the drift
I can 100% recommend the existing GT86, FB forums are good, as it the GT86 owners forum website.sleepera6 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.
But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting? But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
It's a fine car but not the last word in feel and fun so depends what you want from a car really.
Put it like this, I drove it back to back with my old modded BMW. For speed, the BMW was killed. But for fun and engagement it was the other way around. One tight wet corner, the Toyota shot around no problem. The BMW was sliding and just drifted around, no doubt far behind the Yaris.
So it all depends what you want from a car. I couldn't have the Yaris as a sole car but as part of a small fleet it makes more sense.
I haven't driven one on track though.
I found the one I test drove very adjustable, especially in the wet. It helps planting the left foot to guage the amount of rotation, like you do when using an Elise in anger.
Then when mine arrived I felt that was missing. I checked the tyres and they were too hard. Playing around with it has led me to the conclusion that when the tyre pressures are off, they aren't particularly adjustable, however when they're correct, they very much are.
If you're not sure, see Chris Harris on TG last night having no problems at all with throttle adjustability and declaring it "the best car I've driven in years".
Then when mine arrived I felt that was missing. I checked the tyres and they were too hard. Playing around with it has led me to the conclusion that when the tyre pressures are off, they aren't particularly adjustable, however when they're correct, they very much are.
If you're not sure, see Chris Harris on TG last night having no problems at all with throttle adjustability and declaring it "the best car I've driven in years".
I wonder if the auto option will be a DCT for those of us that don't have enough limbs for a manual?
Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Simon Owen said:
kett said:
There’s no longer ‘clear blue water’ between said model & A110. Intrigued to know the pricing.
£30k car vs £50k car plus or minus a few £k ?the original got so much right i'd be surprised if this isn't improved in many areas and a hit with the journos who can drive.
SidewaysSi said:
Yep driven one quite extensively on road as I was seriously considering buying one, though now bought something else.
What did you buy instead? Trying to decide between the last hurrah of the Civic Type R and the GR. Cannot get a test drive in the Civic and was allowed a paltry 20 minutes accompanied on busy trafficked roads in the GR, revealed nothing whatsoever about the car except it’s small and everything works. Finances favour the Toyota at 0 percent rather than 5.9. Its a big purchase for me and I keep swinging between them like a pendulum. Last nights Top Gear did not help. Why did you not buy the GR? Please don’t mention looks, like women, I do not mind so much what they look like only what they are capable of doing to me...... Civic, GR, Civic, GR. Oh hang on this is a GT86 thread.SidewaysSi said:
sleepera6 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.
But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting? But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
It's a fine car but not the last word in feel and fun so depends what you want from a car really.
Put it like this, I drove it back to back with my old modded BMW. For speed, the BMW was killed. But for fun and engagement it was the other way around. One tight wet corner, the Toyota shot around no problem. The BMW was sliding and just drifted around, no doubt far behind the Yaris.
So it all depends what you want from a car. I couldn't have the Yaris as a sole car but as part of a small fleet it makes more sense.
I haven't driven one on track though.
A RWD car will always be able far easier to get sideways, so your constant berating the GR Yaris because it won't do the same (being AWD on sticky tyres), is pretty boring. It's not what the car was designed to do. But isn't that a trait of most AWD cars?
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