RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!

RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!

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samoht

5,736 posts

147 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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leglessAlex said:
I wonder if the auto option will be a DCT for those of us that don't have enough limbs for a manual?

Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Unfortunately AFAIK neither Toyota nor Subaru make a DCT. I assume that they'll go with a torque converter box rather than the CVTs that Subaru usually use, but can't see them engineering a whole new DCT now just for this car.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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wab172uk said:
SidewaysSi said:
sleepera6 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.

But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting?

Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
I wanted more on road adjustability, better steering feel and better pedal positioning. I know many men get hard at the word "homologation" but on road I didn't think it was a particularly interesting drive.

But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
Have you driven one? Interested to know if it meets the hype. Personally I think I love how it looks but I don’t know about how it really drives
Yep driven one quite extensively on road as I was seriously considering buying one, though now bought something else.

It's a fine car but not the last word in feel and fun so depends what you want from a car really.

Put it like this, I drove it back to back with my old modded BMW. For speed, the BMW was killed. But for fun and engagement it was the other way around. One tight wet corner, the Toyota shot around no problem. The BMW was sliding and just drifted around, no doubt far behind the Yaris.

So it all depends what you want from a car. I couldn't have the Yaris as a sole car but as part of a small fleet it makes more sense.

I haven't driven one on track though.
You're really not a fan of the GR Yaris are you? Constantly telling people on this forum that it's a boring car and overhyped.

A RWD car will always be able far easier to get sideways, so your constant berating the GR Yaris because it won't do the same (being AWD on sticky tyres), is pretty boring. It's not what the car was designed to do. But isn't that a trait of most AWD cars?
Keep your pants on and read the post - no need to get emotional.

I do like the GR and think it is a great car in the modern context. But I would have preferred it to have more of a shot of Evo in its veins. Hence you are right with the "most" talk.

I am looking forward to driving this car - can't see it being less fun (for me - note this. For me.) than the Yaris.

carbonSI

49 posts

139 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Current BRZ owner and although happy that it's got more torque i just don't think a 4 pot boxer will ever feel special like say an S2K's mill or an E30 M3's 4 pot for the joy of N/A. Hell even my old 320si E90 had a much more charecterful engine then my BRZ..

Leon R

3,213 posts

97 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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What were you expecting the Yaris to be like SI?

BricktopST205

940 posts

135 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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From what I can gather and see from the 3/4 window line this is merely a super facelift with a larger engine and a updated interior. Kind of like Mk5 to Mk6 golf?

loudlashadjuster

5,131 posts

185 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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BricktopST205 said:
From what I can gather and see from the 3/4 window line this is merely a super facelift with a larger engine and a updated interior. Kind of like Mk5 to Mk6 golf?
Yeah, considering it seemed to take them about a decade to conjure up the first, knocking another brand new platform out in a couple of years seems a stretch. I’m also assuming a comprehensive facelift.

CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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original platform not broken.

apart from tarting it up and a new engine, it would be good if the could create space for more suspension travel and then fit adjustable or leave space for after market. original was tight at the back.

Mabbs9

1,085 posts

219 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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DuncanM said:
GT86.org.uk is good for UK chat, there's a huge international community for the various gt86 iterations.

Gt86ownersclub.co.uk is another one smile

As an owner, as long as you're happy to use the full rev range, the original 86 is an absolute gem of a car.
Thanks very much.

Mabbs9

1,085 posts

219 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Enut said:
I can 100% recommend the existing GT86, FB forums are good, as it the GT86 owners forum website.
Many thanks Enut.

pacdes

495 posts

162 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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6.3 seconds. They're not forward in going backwards are they.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Leon R said:
What were you expecting the Yaris to be like SI?
Honestly I wanted more Evo like adjustability but as I have said numerous times that's my preference in a road car. I didn't expect the Yaris to be anywhere near as oversteery as something like a GT86, which it isn't. And that's cool if that's what you want in a car - grip and go. And yes, we all saw Top Gear yada yada.

My sister was after a new hot hatch to replace her Clio and I suggested the GR Yaris. She drove it, loved it and can't wait for delivery.

And no doubt she will smoke me on anything less than a track..

Anyway, this thread is about the new RWD Toyota, something we should all be very grateful for...

s m

23,243 posts

204 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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pacdes said:
6.3 seconds. They're not forward in going backwards are they.
Should be quicker I guess in real life with 235bhp in under 1300kg and stickyvtyres

Although it’s more about handling/feel with these just like older stuff

ian2144

1,665 posts

223 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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As an ex GT86 Aero owner its nice to see Toyota are finally updating it. I enjoyed the 86, my only gripe was the sound of the engine.....bag of bolts springs to mind.

I sold it to scratch the V8 itch with a 5.0 Mustang, that has now also been sold on, having 420bhp is an absolute hoot, but can also get you into trouble very quickly (Plod)

So looking to come back to more accessible B road fun, there are still a few nearly new GT86's out there at not a lot over £20K good value if you compare it with the equivalent 2.0 Mx5 around £25K or wait for the facelift...

theric177

15 posts

123 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Great work! Want to drive one. Regardless of power output, a car this focused on a classic platform and approach and aimed at enthusiasts should be commended on all levels. As top flight cars get heavier and invariably further into silly numbers in terms of both price and weight it's great to see cars like this still appearing.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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BlackandWhite said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep driven one quite extensively on road as I was seriously considering buying one, though now bought something else.
What did you buy instead? Trying to decide between the last hurrah of the Civic Type R and the GR. Cannot get a test drive in the Civic and was allowed a paltry 20 minutes accompanied on busy trafficked roads in the GR, revealed nothing whatsoever about the car except it’s small and everything works. Finances favour the Toyota at 0 percent rather than 5.9. Its a big purchase for me and I keep swinging between them like a pendulum. Last nights Top Gear did not help. Why did you not buy the GR? Please don’t mention looks, like women, I do not mind so much what they look like only what they are capable of doing to me...... Civic, GR, Civic, GR. Oh hang on this is a GT86 thread.
Probably the best 2 hot hatches of today - both I found very good and not sure what I would pick if I had to go for one in the mid £30k bracket.

In reality if I wanted a newish hot hatch it would probably be a MK3 Meg with some (rebuilt) Ohlins etc. which I feel is probably as good as anything similar out there.

In the end I went for a 996 C2 which will get some mods to bring the total spend to £35k or thereabouts. Completely different of course but go figure smile

huwdm

636 posts

182 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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My GT86 will be up on Piston Heads shortly

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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samoht said:
leglessAlex said:
I wonder if the auto option will be a DCT for those of us that don't have enough limbs for a manual?

Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Unfortunately AFAIK neither Toyota nor Subaru make a DCT. I assume that they'll go with a torque converter box rather than the CVTs that Subaru usually use, but can't see them engineering a whole new DCT now just for this car.
Hopefully the auto is good enough to still be a decent drive. The old gearbox in the GT86 never really hit the spot.

Simon Owen

805 posts

135 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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MyV10BarksAndBites said:
If it s a "real" 235hp... Then great!!!
That is a very valid point !!! The old one was nowhere near the claimed output in my experience. Mine was circa 20bhp down on the claimed manufacturers figures. Even NA fettled it only made 205bhp.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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DuncanM said:
GT86.org.uk is good for UK chat, there's a huge international community for the various gt86 iterations.

Gt86ownersclub.co.uk is another one smile

As an owner, as long as you're happy to use the full rev range, the original 86 is an absolute gem of a car.
You're right - but very few want to do that nowadays - used to grunty turbodiesels and evs, most people now want easy torque on their petrol cars as well. If they have to rev the nuts off a car, they think there's something "wrong" with it. Hence the hatred for revvy petrols, and the love for turbos and superchargers nowadays. Wanting to put a turbo on a car like this is a public confession of driving illiteracy.

GR_WILL

780 posts

79 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Simon Owen said:
MyV10BarksAndBites said:
If it s a "real" 235hp... Then great!!!
That is a very valid point !!! The old one was nowhere near the claimed output in my experience. Mine was circa 20bhp down on the claimed manufacturers figures. Even NA fettled it only made 205bhp.
What did you fuel it on? Tesco 99 or Vpower? Or just 95 RON.