RE: New Toyota GR 86 - official!
Discussion
leglessAlex said:
I wonder if the auto option will be a DCT for those of us that don't have enough limbs for a manual?
Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Unfortunately AFAIK neither Toyota nor Subaru make a DCT. I assume that they'll go with a torque converter box rather than the CVTs that Subaru usually use, but can't see them engineering a whole new DCT now just for this car.Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
wab172uk said:
SidewaysSi said:
sleepera6 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Holgate86 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep looks likes an Insignia from the back.
But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Love to know what you think could have made the GR Yaris more interesting? But for me, far more interesting than the GR Yaris which seemed a bit dull.
Toyota seem to be covering most of the bases for affordable sports cars with differing characters, but it's a shame that only the GR Yaris is a proper Toyota and not a rebadged or co-developed car.
But certainly appreciate the car/engineering and congratulate those who have taken the plunge who no doubt have different wants/needs from a road car to me.
It's a fine car but not the last word in feel and fun so depends what you want from a car really.
Put it like this, I drove it back to back with my old modded BMW. For speed, the BMW was killed. But for fun and engagement it was the other way around. One tight wet corner, the Toyota shot around no problem. The BMW was sliding and just drifted around, no doubt far behind the Yaris.
So it all depends what you want from a car. I couldn't have the Yaris as a sole car but as part of a small fleet it makes more sense.
I haven't driven one on track though.
A RWD car will always be able far easier to get sideways, so your constant berating the GR Yaris because it won't do the same (being AWD on sticky tyres), is pretty boring. It's not what the car was designed to do. But isn't that a trait of most AWD cars?
I do like the GR and think it is a great car in the modern context. But I would have preferred it to have more of a shot of Evo in its veins. Hence you are right with the "most" talk.
I am looking forward to driving this car - can't see it being less fun (for me - note this. For me.) than the Yaris.
BricktopST205 said:
From what I can gather and see from the 3/4 window line this is merely a super facelift with a larger engine and a updated interior. Kind of like Mk5 to Mk6 golf?
Yeah, considering it seemed to take them about a decade to conjure up the first, knocking another brand new platform out in a couple of years seems a stretch. I’m also assuming a comprehensive facelift. Leon R said:
What were you expecting the Yaris to be like SI?
Honestly I wanted more Evo like adjustability but as I have said numerous times that's my preference in a road car. I didn't expect the Yaris to be anywhere near as oversteery as something like a GT86, which it isn't. And that's cool if that's what you want in a car - grip and go. And yes, we all saw Top Gear yada yada.My sister was after a new hot hatch to replace her Clio and I suggested the GR Yaris. She drove it, loved it and can't wait for delivery.
And no doubt she will smoke me on anything less than a track..
Anyway, this thread is about the new RWD Toyota, something we should all be very grateful for...
As an ex GT86 Aero owner its nice to see Toyota are finally updating it. I enjoyed the 86, my only gripe was the sound of the engine.....bag of bolts springs to mind.
I sold it to scratch the V8 itch with a 5.0 Mustang, that has now also been sold on, having 420bhp is an absolute hoot, but can also get you into trouble very quickly (Plod)
So looking to come back to more accessible B road fun, there are still a few nearly new GT86's out there at not a lot over £20K good value if you compare it with the equivalent 2.0 Mx5 around £25K or wait for the facelift...
I sold it to scratch the V8 itch with a 5.0 Mustang, that has now also been sold on, having 420bhp is an absolute hoot, but can also get you into trouble very quickly (Plod)
So looking to come back to more accessible B road fun, there are still a few nearly new GT86's out there at not a lot over £20K good value if you compare it with the equivalent 2.0 Mx5 around £25K or wait for the facelift...
Great work! Want to drive one. Regardless of power output, a car this focused on a classic platform and approach and aimed at enthusiasts should be commended on all levels. As top flight cars get heavier and invariably further into silly numbers in terms of both price and weight it's great to see cars like this still appearing.
BlackandWhite said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yep driven one quite extensively on road as I was seriously considering buying one, though now bought something else.
What did you buy instead? Trying to decide between the last hurrah of the Civic Type R and the GR. Cannot get a test drive in the Civic and was allowed a paltry 20 minutes accompanied on busy trafficked roads in the GR, revealed nothing whatsoever about the car except it’s small and everything works. Finances favour the Toyota at 0 percent rather than 5.9. Its a big purchase for me and I keep swinging between them like a pendulum. Last nights Top Gear did not help. Why did you not buy the GR? Please don’t mention looks, like women, I do not mind so much what they look like only what they are capable of doing to me...... Civic, GR, Civic, GR. Oh hang on this is a GT86 thread.In reality if I wanted a newish hot hatch it would probably be a MK3 Meg with some (rebuilt) Ohlins etc. which I feel is probably as good as anything similar out there.
In the end I went for a 996 C2 which will get some mods to bring the total spend to £35k or thereabouts. Completely different of course but go figure
samoht said:
leglessAlex said:
I wonder if the auto option will be a DCT for those of us that don't have enough limbs for a manual?
Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
Unfortunately AFAIK neither Toyota nor Subaru make a DCT. I assume that they'll go with a torque converter box rather than the CVTs that Subaru usually use, but can't see them engineering a whole new DCT now just for this car.Either way, I really like this from Toyota. I don't think it looks quite as good to my eyes, but I'm really interested to read how the engine feels compare to the older one now it has the wider bore with the same stroke.
DuncanM said:
GT86.org.uk is good for UK chat, there's a huge international community for the various gt86 iterations.
Gt86ownersclub.co.uk is another one
As an owner, as long as you're happy to use the full rev range, the original 86 is an absolute gem of a car.
You're right - but very few want to do that nowadays - used to grunty turbodiesels and evs, most people now want easy torque on their petrol cars as well. If they have to rev the nuts off a car, they think there's something "wrong" with it. Hence the hatred for revvy petrols, and the love for turbos and superchargers nowadays. Wanting to put a turbo on a car like this is a public confession of driving illiteracy. Gt86ownersclub.co.uk is another one
As an owner, as long as you're happy to use the full rev range, the original 86 is an absolute gem of a car.
Simon Owen said:
MyV10BarksAndBites said:
If it s a "real" 235hp... Then great!!!
That is a very valid point !!! The old one was nowhere near the claimed output in my experience. Mine was circa 20bhp down on the claimed manufacturers figures. Even NA fettled it only made 205bhp.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff