RE: Nissan GT-R GT3 offered as road-legal GT23

RE: Nissan GT-R GT3 offered as road-legal GT23

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leglessAlex

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3,958 posts

105 months

Wednesday 7th April
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h0b0 said:
leglessAlex said:
I know it's a prototype, I'm sure the driving performance will be exceptional and I'm not sure that I actually can think of any direct competitors off the top of my head, but even so...

...isn't £720k quite a lot for a (heavily) tuned GTR? Does anyone really want a GT3 car for the road?

Yeah, I know, typical PH comment moaning about price and I'm usually of the opinion that these sort of creations are actually reasonably priced for the amount of man hours, but I really can't get past that many hundreds of thousands for what it is.
this being pistonheads the thread would not be complete without someone saying "what about this second hand car?"

I am not even a fan of the Senna but it does compete for road going race car category in this price bracket. In fact, this one came in at over 20% discount.

I do love the GTR but it is one I am grateful other people buy them.
It really was a disappointingly, stereotypically moany, PH-type post, wasn't it? hehe

I can't disagree with your suggestion, I'm also not the Senna's biggest fan, but I think I'd prefer it to this GT-R. Still, that probably just shows I'm not the target market, which is fair.

I'm just left wondering; who exactly is the target market?

British Beef

1,366 posts

129 months

Thursday 8th April
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Target Market....

None of us reading on here most likely.

I would be target market IF......
- First I was wealthy, very very wealthy (£700 k is inconsequential on a car !)
- I have s selection of cars / super cars / race cars / classic cars in a selection of houses around the world (which I would travel to via one of my private jets / yachts / helicopters)
- Love motorsport and maybe own a race track or two

Another target, might be driving experience / supercar rental company
- Who wouldnt want to drive one of these for an afternoon?? I would pay for the experience.

seefarr

1,001 posts

150 months

Thursday 8th April
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Article said:
....Andrew said a bucket cooling system, engineered by technical director Elliot Dason-Barber, now ensures the race-grade VR38DETT V6 remains to temperature, even “during trips to the shops”.
What's a "bucket cooling system"?


Krikkit

20,985 posts

145 months

Thursday 8th April
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seefarr said:
Article said:
....Andrew said a bucket cooling system, engineered by technical director Elliot Dason-Barber, now ensures the race-grade VR38DETT V6 remains to temperature, even “during trips to the shops”.
What's a "bucket cooling system"?

With GT3 cars they move the engine way, way back behind the front axle and super low (dry sump obviously), so they've got room to get tricky with the aero. Here's what they're talking about - effectively the radiators are in a sealed box which grabs the air from the front and exhausts it up over the bonnet. The engine bay doesn't need any additional heat.



And compared to a standard bay, which is actually quite roomy too. As you can see the front of the inlet manifold is both above and forward of the strut tops, whereas in the GT3 it's way behind and much lower.



p.s. Sorry if whoosh parrot smile

Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 8th April 08:47

redroadster

1,237 posts

196 months

Thursday 8th April
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Save money just ram raid Halford with standard car n add few lairy bits

Blanchimont

3,961 posts

86 months

Thursday 8th April
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This is the sort of thing the Nismo GTR should've been.

Far Cough

1,546 posts

132 months

Thursday 8th April
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"Hi there , I`d like an insurance quote please ..............."

"Sure sir , no problem. Is the car standard or modified ?"

Ermmmmm.............

seefarr

1,001 posts

150 months

Thursday 8th April
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Krikkit said:
With GT3 cars they move the engine way, way back behind the front axle and super low (dry sump obviously), so they've got room to get tricky with the aero. Here's what they're talking about - effectively the radiators are in a sealed box which grabs the air from the front and exhausts it up over the bonnet. The engine bay doesn't need any additional heat.



p.s. Sorry if whoosh parrot smile

Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 8th April 08:47
Legend, thank you! thumbup

All I could think of was like those ice-to-water-to-air intercoolers drag racers sometimes have but didn't think that would last a GT3 race! laugh

biggbn

9,623 posts

184 months

Thursday 8th April
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McRors said:
FFS, what is the point? Where in Britain could you drive this thing on public roads to even 50% of its potential? Scottish highlands perhaps? Give me an Alfaholic or Singer Porsche any. Actually give me an Ariel Nomad.
Strange argument. You can't use almost any performance cars full potential in Brktain with our outdated roads and speed limit. I'm in for this, but then a lottery win would see me with a selection of GTRs with this one sitting at the top....

wst

3,374 posts

125 months

Thursday 8th April
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With 23 available, it feels like an attainable modern version of the R33 LM...


Talksteer

3,573 posts

197 months

Thursday 8th April
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h0b0 said:
leglessAlex said:
I know it's a prototype, I'm sure the driving performance will be exceptional and I'm not sure that I actually can think of any direct competitors off the top of my head, but even so...

...isn't £720k quite a lot for a (heavily) tuned GTR? Does anyone really want a GT3 car for the road?

Yeah, I know, typical PH comment moaning about price and I'm usually of the opinion that these sort of creations are actually reasonably priced for the amount of man hours, but I really can't get past that many hundreds of thousands for what it is.
this being pistonheads the thread would not be complete without someone saying "what about this second hand car?"




I am not even a fan of the Senna but it does compete for road going race car category in this price bracket. In fact, this one came in at over 20% discount.

I do love the GTR but it is one I am grateful other people buy them.
Or how about:



https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/120434/f...

An actual Ferrari GT car for 1/3 the price.

While we are at it rather than spending hundreds of thousands on an Alfahollics, 47k Euros for an Alfa historic race car (with lots of modern kit).



https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/120408/a...


Edited by Talksteer on Thursday 8th April 13:11

av185

13,206 posts

91 months

Thursday 8th April
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biggbn said:
McRors said:
FFS, what is the point? Where in Britain could you drive this thing on public roads to even 50% of its potential? Scottish highlands perhaps? Give me an Alfaholic or Singer Porsche any. Actually give me an Ariel Nomad.
Strange argument. You can't use almost any performance cars full potential in Brktain with our outdated roads and speed limit.
Yep I keep breaking the 30 mph speed limit on my road bike decided its useless now so now selling it..

Sam Sheehan

69 posts

101 months

Thursday 8th April
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wst said:
With 23 available, it feels like an attainable modern version of the R33 LM...

Oof. I need a lie-down after seeing that.

Jon_S_Rally

961 posts

52 months

Thursday 8th April
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Looks absolutely bonkers. Imagine parking that in Tesco car park?!

It's crazy money and, as others have said, most would prefer if you could just fit a similar body kit to a road car and add a load of horsepower, but I'm still glad this exists.

It's nice to see people producing mad stuff just because they can.

McRors said:
FFS, what is the point? Where in Britain could you drive this thing on public roads to even 50% of its potential? Scottish highlands perhaps? Give me an Alfaholic or Singer Porsche any. Actually give me an Ariel Nomad.
So it's pointless because you don't want to buy it? Strange viewpoint.

redroadster said:
Save money just ram raid Halford with standard car n add few lairy bits
What "lairy" bits do Halfords sell? Air fresheners? A roof rack?

Halfords stopped selling modified car parts about 15 years ago, it might be time to let that expression die...

MX-6

5,096 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th April
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I'm really liking this. It would be a great track car, but perhaps a bit too lairy and OTT for the road? On second thoughts, why not, let's have it, would be amusing to drive to Tesco's in it.

I'm not saying it's not worth the money but it's not easy to justify the price is it. I'm sure I'd have more fun buying a second hand GTR then fitting a wide-body kit, do the big wing, tune it, etc. Even if it wouldn't be as well sorted as this and deliver the same lap times it would be a lot of the same thrills and spills for fraction of the price.

Edited by MX-6 on Thursday 8th April 11:33

130R

6,379 posts

170 months

Thursday 8th April
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I guess you could run this on touristenfahrten. Otherwise I have no idea why anyone would want to make a GT3 car road legal

JxJ Jr.

623 posts

34 months

Thursday 8th April
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No mention of the GT R50 Italdesign thing? Price is not a million miles away, relatively speaking, it seems to still be available and perhaps a more appealing alternative if you must spend that sort of money on a GT-R


lestiq

704 posts

133 months

Thursday 8th April
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biggbn said:
Strange argument. You can't use almost any performance cars full potential in Brktain with our outdated roads and speed limit. I'm in for this, but then a lottery win would see me with a selection of GTRs with this one sitting at the top....
Yeah, I was just thinking the same. Nearly all performance cars nowadays are too fast to be fully enjoyed on the road, some are even too loud to be allowed on track which must be incredibly frustrating. But that's not the point is it, we are mostly a bunch of lunatic petrolheads who don't really conform to sensible and that's who this car is aimed at. How many people are more interested in what's under the skin than what's on the badge in a car these days? For me any road car built by championship winning race team will always be a very special thing, sign me up.

WCZ

8,372 posts

158 months

Thursday 8th April
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JxJ Jr. said:
No mention of the GT R50 Italdesign thing? Price is not a million miles away, relatively speaking, it seems to still be available and perhaps a more appealing alternative if you must spend that sort of money on a GT-R

doesn't exactly have the same track performance though

as suggested above a Senna would be a good alternative

leef44

2,145 posts

117 months

Thursday 8th April
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Far Cough said:
"Hi there , I`d like an insurance quote please ..............."

"Sure sir , no problem. Is the car standard or modified ?"

Ermmmmm.............
laugh