RE: Toyota GR Yaris Nurburgring lap time
Discussion
MC Bodge said:
Kawasicki said:
MC Bodge said:
Mackofthejungle said:
Shows how irrelevant 4WD is in something this low powered.. Great for greasy days if you're out gunning it, but not much more useful in the wet, and a hindrance in the dry. Probably be better saving the 100 or so kilos.
Away from the high speeds of the Nurburgring, on tight, twisty, undulating, poor surfaced roads, 4WD might be useful.Most people, even on track, never drive anywhere even approaching ten tenths. Certainly not at the 'Ring - you'd have to be luck or crazy to get away with that every lap.
Kawasicki said:
Look, there are many people who just like the feeling of driving a highly capable car at 30% of its capability, and fair play if that's your preference... others prefer driving a much less capable car at 70% and sometimes more of its capability.
I'm not disputing that. "Liking the feeling" isn't making use of the capability, though. I am of the "driving a less capable car or bike harder" school of thought. The tighter, twistier and more undulating the better.Supple suspension is important, as Nickfrog talked about.
Onehp said:
nickfrog said:
Calm down. It was hyperbole. You perfectly know that driving on gravel with a modicum of fun will disproportionaly damage a car that is not designed or built for the purpose. This is a road car. On the other hand if you're happy to do that with your brand new £30k GR, then no one is stopping you.
It's by far the most purpose built car for sale today. The design brief was 50% paved, 50% unpaved. Still didn't get answer on what damage you're on about, cars are made to be driven, not to remain brand new.
I don't think you're serious about finding out what damage having fun on a gravel track will cause to a road car so I won't answer that.
Again, if you're happy to take you £30k GR on a gravel track for fun, no one is stopping you.
Digga said:
MC Bodge said:
Kawasicki said:
MC Bodge said:
Mackofthejungle said:
Shows how irrelevant 4WD is in something this low powered.. Great for greasy days if you're out gunning it, but not much more useful in the wet, and a hindrance in the dry. Probably be better saving the 100 or so kilos.
Away from the high speeds of the Nurburgring, on tight, twisty, undulating, poor surfaced roads, 4WD might be useful.Most people, even on track, never drive anywhere even approaching ten tenths. Certainly not at the 'Ring - you'd have to be luck or crazy to get away with that every lap.
thelostboy said:
Does make me smile - people malign the Golf R and define this Yaris as some sort of otherworldly, purist's redefinition of hot hatches and... it posts the same lap time 
Yeah it makes me smile too. It's like a lap time is the only thing that matters for a car, when really what's important is how a car makes you feel. nickfrog said:
Onehp said:
nickfrog said:
Calm down. It was hyperbole. You perfectly know that driving on gravel with a modicum of fun will disproportionaly damage a car that is not designed or built for the purpose. This is a road car. On the other hand if you're happy to do that with your brand new £30k GR, then no one is stopping you.
It's by far the most purpose built car for sale today. The design brief was 50% paved, 50% unpaved. Still didn't get answer on what damage you're on about, cars are made to be driven, not to remain brand new.
I don't think you're serious about finding out what damage having fun on a gravel track will cause to a road car so I won't answer that.
Again, if you're happy to take you £30k GR on a gravel track for fun, no one is stopping you.
Don't agree driving gravel instantly ruins a car. Flaps, PPF do a lot. If one wants, there is already full kevlar underbody protection available too to make it mlre suitable. Majority of Swedes drive unpaved roads on a daily basis, we have roughly 36000km public gravel roads, and 300000km private gravel roads. Totally a non-issue. Stone rash on suspension from driving quick may require some special attention but again not a huge issue, not more than trackday cars changing brakes, fluids and tyres all the time...
Having a prisitine car is totally meaningless to me if can't be used/enjoyed as intended.... To each their own but yeah, don't be too scared actually driving the thing...
MyV10BarksAndBites said:
This!!!... The 'Ring is easily the best place to develop a performance car...
Only for a certain kind of performance car.Going all-out for a laptime, for example the Megane Trophy R, makes the car too stiff for normal road use and the famed British B road.
Lotus' magic ride/handling compromise is honed in Norfolk, not the Eifel mountains.
MiseryStreak said:
I totally agree, might as well just buy a Fiesta ST. Much more fun. Only a 30 kg saving though? Must be the steel doors, bonnet, roof. Maybe the extra headroom in the back eats into the deficit? Weird.
the mk7 fiesta st can do 8:14 with just 200hp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
Onehp said:
Can’t find the statement written, must have heard in a vid. Either way, if one followed the cars journey, there has been plenty footage of the development car being tested and driven on unpaved surfaces.
Don't agree driving gravel instantly ruins a car. Flaps, PPF do a lot. If one wants, there is already full kevlar underbody protection available too to make it mlre suitable. Majority of Swedes drive unpaved roads on a daily basis, we have roughly 36000km public gravel roads, and 300000km private gravel roads. Totally a non-issue. Stone rash on suspension from driving quick may require some special attention but again not a huge issue, not more than trackday cars changing brakes, fluids and tyres all the time...
Having a prisitine car is totally meaningless to me if can't be used/enjoyed as intended.... To each their own but yeah, don't be too scared actually driving the thing...
In the past, my friends and I used to drive briskly on dirt and gravel roads, including in "Killer Kielder" in our normal, fairly sheddy, cars. They weren't instantly destroyed. Don't agree driving gravel instantly ruins a car. Flaps, PPF do a lot. If one wants, there is already full kevlar underbody protection available too to make it mlre suitable. Majority of Swedes drive unpaved roads on a daily basis, we have roughly 36000km public gravel roads, and 300000km private gravel roads. Totally a non-issue. Stone rash on suspension from driving quick may require some special attention but again not a huge issue, not more than trackday cars changing brakes, fluids and tyres all the time...
Having a prisitine car is totally meaningless to me if can't be used/enjoyed as intended.... To each their own but yeah, don't be too scared actually driving the thing...
In the UK, we actually have very few public roads that are not hard-surfaced (certainly not close to populated areas), most UK people will never drive on dirt or gravel. Some may not appreciate that many people around the world do much of their driving on dirt and gravel in 2wd hatchbacks.
Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 9th April 14:30
MC Bodge said:
In the past, my friends and I used to drive briskly on dirt and gravel roads in our normal, fairly sheddy cars. They weren't instantly destroyed.
In the UK, we actually have very few public roads that are not hard-surfaced (certainly not close to populated areas), most UK people will never drive on dirt or gravel.
Not normal roads, but you get plenty of access roads that are like that. In the UK, we actually have very few public roads that are not hard-surfaced (certainly not close to populated areas), most UK people will never drive on dirt or gravel.
WCZ said:
the mk7 fiesta st can do 8:14 with just 200hp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
Oh Lordy, not only more fun, it’s quicker too!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
There is literally no point in this car at all.
When I get mine I’m going to disconnect the propshaft straight away and stuff a sock into one of the cylinders. I’ll be able to have more fun at legal speeds, and be just as quick on track. Then try and flip the POS and buy a Fiesta, of course.
WCZ said:
the mk7 fiesta st can do 8:14 with just 200hp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
Well, impressive but still 20 seconds off and that is without the holdups suffered by the GR driver.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
In the wet it would likely be a much larger margin.
Onehp said:
Can’t find the statement written, must have heard in a vid. Either way, if one followed the cars journey, there has been plenty footage of the development car being tested and driven on unpaved surfaces.
Don't agree driving gravel instantly ruins a car. Flaps, PPF do a lot. If one wants, there is already full kevlar underbody protection available too to make it mlre suitable. Majority of Swedes drive unpaved roads on a daily basis, we have roughly 36000km public gravel roads, and 300000km private gravel roads. Totally a non-issue. Stone rash on suspension from driving quick may require some special attention but again not a huge issue, not more than trackday cars changing brakes, fluids and tyres all the time...
Having a prisitine car is totally meaningless to me if can't be used/enjoyed as intended.... To each their own but yeah, don't be too scared actually driving the thing...
Driving on gravel for fun will disproportionally damage a car that is not designed or built for the purpose. I don't think the Yaris GR is, based on the amount of mods required, including the ones that you mentioned. Don't agree driving gravel instantly ruins a car. Flaps, PPF do a lot. If one wants, there is already full kevlar underbody protection available too to make it mlre suitable. Majority of Swedes drive unpaved roads on a daily basis, we have roughly 36000km public gravel roads, and 300000km private gravel roads. Totally a non-issue. Stone rash on suspension from driving quick may require some special attention but again not a huge issue, not more than trackday cars changing brakes, fluids and tyres all the time...
Having a prisitine car is totally meaningless to me if can't be used/enjoyed as intended.... To each their own but yeah, don't be too scared actually driving the thing...
Again, nothing is preventing you from having fun on gravel in your unmodified £30k Yaris. I wouldn't, but as you say each to their own. I guess if you're in Sweden, you don't exactly have a choice, so what is acceptable and expected in Sweden might be different to what is expected in the UK, particularly in terms of value retention. Perhaps that explains our different perspective.
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 9th April 14:51
MiseryStreak said:
WCZ said:
the mk7 fiesta st can do 8:14 with just 200hp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
Oh Lordy, not only more fun, it’s quicker too!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwPmkzZOhDI
not far off
There is literally no point in this car at all.
When I get mine I’m going to disconnect the propshaft straight away and stuff a sock into one of the cylinders. I’ll be able to have more fun at legal speeds, and be just as quick on track. Then try and flip the POS and buy a Fiesta, of course.
Oh but it oversteers. It does. Didn't you see Chris Harris' review yada yada. It is fun....promise.
The great thing about the GR Yaris is that purchasing one is entirely a choice. So if you like it and can afford one, buy one. If you don't, don't. Easy.
No need to fall out in lumps because someone likes or dislikes something you don't. People like different things. Hell, some weird people even eat olives (I bet they're the ones who don't like the GRY).
No need to fall out in lumps because someone likes or dislikes something you don't. People like different things. Hell, some weird people even eat olives (I bet they're the ones who don't like the GRY).
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