RE: Mercedes EQS revealed with 478-mile range
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For the first time in a while it looks like one team designed the whole of the exterior.
The dual paint is a bit odd but other than that it looks superb, especially the front. The interior too. I hope they trickle a lot of that design "language" down to the other models.
Impressive as always that most of it seems to have been developed internally, especially as they are using Tesla for some tasks in their e platform.
The dual paint is a bit odd but other than that it looks superb, especially the front. The interior too. I hope they trickle a lot of that design "language" down to the other models.
Impressive as always that most of it seems to have been developed internally, especially as they are using Tesla for some tasks in their e platform.
Thats a big steaming pile of S%^T !
Can you imagine trying to drive that around some nice twisty quiet b road.......https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
i can just imagine my teenager show boating to his friends my cars got 5000 Gigagbits of RAM FFS worlds gone stupid ! https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
More over priced rubbish for the early adopters to waste their money on ! best of luck !
Can you imagine trying to drive that around some nice twisty quiet b road.......https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
i can just imagine my teenager show boating to his friends my cars got 5000 Gigagbits of RAM FFS worlds gone stupid ! https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
More over priced rubbish for the early adopters to waste their money on ! best of luck !
PH_77 said:
Yet another awkward looking EV. This time with a ridiculous paint job.
That said, will somebody please think of the cobalt-mining children.
https://www.ft.com/content/c6909812-9ce4-11e9-9c06...
You realise the paint isn't fixed and people ordering can choose other colours That said, will somebody please think of the cobalt-mining children.
https://www.ft.com/content/c6909812-9ce4-11e9-9c06...
Also, the most significant cobalt usage is in mobile electronics, including smartphones, tablets, and laptops.
You are probably are a high cobalt consumer without even knowing it and if it wasn't for EV's you wouldn't even be aware of the practice.
The only industry actively moving away from using Cobalt is the EV industry. EVs have been a positive force in ending the practice.
Fastlane said:
Says the man we a Nissan Note on his fleet!
So what? Thing looks ugly as f**k, like a giant Prius with tacky crap stuck onto it to justify a 150k price tag.Could also have taken a piece of soap and stuck the s
ttiest looking wheels their designer could come up with under it.What´s even the market for this? Every eco-sensitive company director already has a Model S from Tesla anyway.
I do love the reaction to ever new BEV
For something with a sub 300 mile range;
“No good, can’t do the fortnightly trip to france towing my boat”
This has range;
“Too heavy”
Electric, ladies and gents, is the future of personal transport. It will be batteries. There is no magic tech on the horizon to dramatically improve power density. So, batteries are heavy. Range is directly related to mass in the vast majority of applications.
1) that’s really not what it’s for
2) if you did, I suspect it might do better than we’d expect. I doubt very much it would be *fun* but it would be uncomfortably rapid.
For something with a sub 300 mile range;
“No good, can’t do the fortnightly trip to france towing my boat”
This has range;
“Too heavy”
Electric, ladies and gents, is the future of personal transport. It will be batteries. There is no magic tech on the horizon to dramatically improve power density. So, batteries are heavy. Range is directly related to mass in the vast majority of applications.
LBW2020 said:
Thats a big steaming pile of S%^T !
Can you imagine trying to drive that around some nice twisty quiet b road......
Two points;Can you imagine trying to drive that around some nice twisty quiet b road......
1) that’s really not what it’s for
2) if you did, I suspect it might do better than we’d expect. I doubt very much it would be *fun* but it would be uncomfortably rapid.
SDK said:
You realise the paint isn't fixed and people ordering can choose other colours
Also, the most significant cobalt usage is in mobile electronics, including smartphones, tablets, and laptops.
You are probably are a high cobalt consumer without even knowing it and if it wasn't for EV's you wouldn't even be aware of the practice.
The only industry actively moving away from using Cobalt is the EV industry. EVs have been a positive force in ending the practice.
All fair points. Although obviously I'm aware that some cars are available in more than one colour scheme. It'll be great if the industry can move away from Cobalt whilst trying to scale up production 654,000%.Also, the most significant cobalt usage is in mobile electronics, including smartphones, tablets, and laptops.
You are probably are a high cobalt consumer without even knowing it and if it wasn't for EV's you wouldn't even be aware of the practice.
The only industry actively moving away from using Cobalt is the EV industry. EVs have been a positive force in ending the practice.
Mr E said:
I do love the reaction to ever new BEV
For something with a sub 300 mile range;
“No good, can’t do the fortnightly trip to france towing my boat”
This has range;
“Too heavy”
Electric, ladies and gents, is the future of personal transport. It will be batteries. There is no magic tech on the horizon to dramatically improve power density. So, batteries are heavy. Range is directly related to mass in the vast majority of applications.
Whilst I don’t disagree with you, I predict these ‘early’ EVs will be obsolete by 2030. Once the majority of cars on the road are electric the investment into battery technology will be enormous and these 2.5 tonne leviathans with sub 500 mile range, costing £150,000 will be laughable.For something with a sub 300 mile range;
“No good, can’t do the fortnightly trip to france towing my boat”
This has range;
“Too heavy”
Electric, ladies and gents, is the future of personal transport. It will be batteries. There is no magic tech on the horizon to dramatically improve power density. So, batteries are heavy. Range is directly related to mass in the vast majority of applications.
There will be a technological breakthrough that permits far greater energy density OR an alternative chemical energy storage device that wont be described as a battery, but do exactly the same job.
Electric cars will be lighter, have greater range and cost less than their equivalent 2021 ICE cars by 2030.
Monkeylegend said:
Just hope it never goes wrong.
It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
Electronically complicated perhaps but mechanically simple. Way simpler than a regular S class mechanically. Borkage potential should be less hopefully but it'll date quicker than news print. It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
MiseryStreak said:
Whilst I don’t disagree with you, I predict these ‘early’ EVs will be obsolete by 2030. Once the majority of cars on the road are electric the investment into battery technology will be enormous and these 2.5 tonne leviathans with sub 500 mile range, costing £150,000 will be laughable.
There will be a technological breakthrough that permits far greater energy density OR an alternative chemical energy storage device that wont be described as a battery, but do exactly the same job.
Electric cars will be lighter, have greater range and cost less than their equivalent 2021 ICE cars by 2030.
I agree completely. There will be a technological breakthrough that permits far greater energy density OR an alternative chemical energy storage device that wont be described as a battery, but do exactly the same job.
Electric cars will be lighter, have greater range and cost less than their equivalent 2021 ICE cars by 2030.
Do you think the target market for this car has any care what the thing will be worth in 10 years? Or even 3?
Come to think of it, what proportion of new car buyers (of any sort) care about residuals past the GFV? 5%? Less?
I own an electric car (because it’s very cheap). It’s 5 years old. It’s already obsolete.
I wouldn’t buy something electric right now or in the near future. I’d rent it, for exactly the reasons you ably described.
But I’m not really sure anyone actually buys an S class either.
unpc said:
Electronically complicated perhaps but mechanically simple. Way simpler than a regular S class mechanically. Borkage potential should be less hopefully but it'll date quicker than news print.
In my opinion borkage potential is the same as a new ICE S-Class. Of course, you remove engine and gearbox, but thats about it. A Lot of things are almost identical or very similar:- Brakes
- (Air) Suspension
- Drivshafts
- Maybe a reduction gearbox
- Battery cooling, sometimes with water pumps and radiators
- Climate control with heat exchangers
- All the electromechanical extras (electronic seats, soft-close doors,...)
and then you add power electronics and the battery itself (and thinking about it, removing a battery is probably as compilcated as removing an engine). I think everyone had a piece of electronics in their life that just died suddenly.
There are still more than enough things that can go wrong.
Edited by ae2006 on Thursday 15th April 21:04
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