RE: Semiconductor shortage triggers JLR shutdown
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rampageturke said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Maybe this will be the point at which Western manufacturing nations finally understand the need for some local chip manufacturing capability?
it's already underway, but it takes a good 2-3 years to actually get a fab up and moving if it was approved now. America being first in talks right nowLet's build some semi-conductor plants in the UK.
Wait a minute we did that, then they were shut down and moved abroad.
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Fetchez la vache said:
If this means manufacturers stop including stupid touchscreens that are dangerous when on the move, then good tbh.
That way they may actually think about what functions people want rather than just including it anyway as they can in yet another layer of bloody menus...
You are clearly a petrolhead, you are into driving and you want to drive safely. The general market doesn't care how a car drives, how to drive a car or what engine is in it.That way they may actually think about what functions people want rather than just including it anyway as they can in yet another layer of bloody menus...
What they care about is how it looks, how does the plastics feel inside and what gadgets is it loaded up with so that they can show off to their friends. The market will pay a very high margin for this.
blueg33 said:
We have seen a 20% price hike on the imported steel we use. In discussion with Tata to source it from the UK, but they need to tool up and modify their production facilities - lead time is years
Same for us (a bespoke engineering company) and also for other lots of parts coming from abroad.Aluminium and steel on ridiculous lead-times. Prices vary.
Clear polycarbonate sheets went up 300% in price last year and you couldn't get them for love nor money anyway. Lead-times went from ex-stock to three months almost overnight (Covid protection screen use mostly)
Proprietary engineering parts from electrical, electronic and mechanical suppliers are being quoted as two or three times the lead-time they were last year and end up being weeks late
And so on. I'm not sure if it's due to the pandemic, Brexit or the blockage in the Suez canal, but my brother in law works for a major DIY chain and he says they have no garden furniture to sell at the moment at all (mostly Chinese made) - absolutely nothing is on the shop floor or in their warehouse at their busiest time for sales of this type of product .
Let UK manufacturing go and so you will reap,....
There were also 3 fires that shut down 3 separate semiconductor factories. The one in Japan owned by REC is still only at 10% capacity and that's just one factory.
Another in China went up that makes DRAM for many applications and another that make analogue to digital converters used pretty much everywhere burnt to the ground.
Another in China went up that makes DRAM for many applications and another that make analogue to digital converters used pretty much everywhere burnt to the ground.
Edited by Smiljan on Thursday 22 April 17:21
Jerseyhpc said:
Tried to order some Transits this week...The production has stooped until September as Ford’s supplier is the one that burnt down.
Diggers are well into next year already on some lines.
Vans are generally not available.
Fun fun fun.
The plant in Kocaeli is shutting for 2 months. We are waiting for about 300 Customs Diggers are well into next year already on some lines.
Vans are generally not available.
Fun fun fun.
There are lots of things that are contributing to this shortage, very high demand and not enough capacity through the process so lead times are getting longer and prices are increasing. More and more products are full of semiconductors now, so lots of things get effected,especially if there are factory fires as well. Even the snow in Texas earlier in the year caused factories to stop as power went down which has also affected output.
rampageturke said:
it's already underway, but it takes a good 2-3 years to actually get a fab up and moving if it was approved now. America being first in talks right now
Oh indeed, but the factory costs a billion or two, and is out of date the minute it’s completed. Thanks to Moore’s Law it actually makes no sense at all to build a new factory that makes anything except the latest, cutting edge technology. It’s not so simple in practice to fix the issue of overseas supply. 
BFleming said:
Fetchez la vache said:
If this means manufacturers stop including stupid touchscreens that are dangerous when on the move, then good tbh.
Some temporary supply chain issues aren't going to influence the future of ergonomics, much to your disappointment; they're going to slow down production until the components are available again. RobEB said:
Blame the BBC, they've just taken on a £1.2 billion supercomputer - to make weather forecasting more accurate.
Paid for mostly by the licence fee, i should add.
...and in other news, the OED have removed "gullible" from the dictionary.Paid for mostly by the licence fee, i should add.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/56850822
The Met Office is buying the computer, with gov.uk investing £1.2bn. The BBC are just one of the many customers of the Met Office.
M
What generation of chip are we at now? 5nm? Frankly, I don't think you could build a fab plant in the UK and expect it to work - there's a whole infrastructure of suppliers/ engineers/ technicians that just doesn't exist outside Korea/ Japan/ Taiwan/ China. You would probably have to start with older tech - say 14nm, rather than jump to the latest and greatest.
wisbech said:
What generation of chip are we at now? 5nm? Frankly, I don't think you could build a fab plant in the UK and expect it to work - there's a whole infrastructure of suppliers/ engineers/ technicians that just doesn't exist outside Korea/ Japan/ Taiwan/ China. You would probably have to start with older tech - say 14nm, rather than jump to the latest and greatest.
Yes, the problem is that the lower-grade fab shop is uneconomical to build from scratch, you hve to build the cutting edge plant and write the whole thing off within two or three years. A new plant based on old tech just doesn’t add up. leef44 said:
You are clearly a petrolhead, you are into driving and you want to drive safely. The general market doesn't care how a car drives, how to drive a car or what engine is in it.
What they care about is how it looks, how does the plastics feel inside and what gadgets is it loaded up with so that they can show off to their friends. The market will pay a very high margin for this.
You know, that is so very true. A car is a lump of metal, glass and plastic, yet there is a higher value placed on one lump compared to another. I was waiting behind a 21 plate Range Rover this week, probably £100K+ price, and thought "why would you?". It is because of how it makes the owner/keeper feel. I don't have that kind of ego these days, but the majority will. What they care about is how it looks, how does the plastics feel inside and what gadgets is it loaded up with so that they can show off to their friends. The market will pay a very high margin for this.
I remember when, back in the 1990s, it was a big deal to have "i" for injection on the boot lid, then it was electric windows. Crazy really how humans work!
I would feel a right plonker moaning to the service desk in a dealership that "my car's self parking or fetching itself out of a parking space function does not work".
Edited by TUS373 on Friday 23 April 07:20
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