RE: Semiconductor shortage triggers JLR shutdown

RE: Semiconductor shortage triggers JLR shutdown

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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,200 posts

56 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Tye Green said:
I've heard from an insider that semiconductor shortage is also a factor in the delayed launch on the new Nissan Quashqui.
So not all bad news then.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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camel_landy said:
RobEB said:
Blame the BBC, they've just taken on a £1.2 billion supercomputer - to make weather forecasting more accurate.
Paid for mostly by the licence fee, i should add.
...and in other news, the OED have removed "gullible" from the dictionary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/56850822

The Met Office is buying the computer, with gov.uk investing £1.2bn. The BBC are just one of the many customers of the Met Office.

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..and not even that any more; the BBC moved their contract to MeteoGroup back in 2018.

Imagine that; British weather provide by the Dutch wink

Deadlysub

512 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Sheepshanks said:
RobEB said:
Blame the BBC, they've just taken on a £1.2 billion supercomputer - to make weather forecasting more accurate.
Paid for mostly by the licence fee, i should add.
It's a good job you don't post more frequently.
I really worry about where people get there news from

RichTT

3,071 posts

172 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Tye Green said:
I've heard from an insider that semiconductor shortage is also a factor in the delayed launch on the new Nissan Quashqui.
So not all bad news then.
That gave me a chuckle.

BFleming

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3,611 posts

144 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Scottie - NW said:
It's surprised me that Cisco switch and router supply has been hit so badly by this. Products normally on a few weeks lead time are now being quoted as 6 months, and these are for high end high profit devices.

Same with SBCs and SIP gateways, so many projects held up because of this.
It doesn't surprise me - Cisco use the same contract manufacturers as everyone else, so are even more exposed (no own-stock or free-issue components from Cisco to the CMs).

B10

1,240 posts

268 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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das_funky_zeit said:
rampageturke said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Maybe this will be the point at which Western manufacturing nations finally understand the need for some local chip manufacturing capability?
it's already underway, but it takes a good 2-3 years to actually get a fab up and moving if it was approved now. America being first in talks right now
Now that's an idea!!
Let's build some semi-conductor plants in the UK.
Wait a minute we did that, then they were shut down and moved abroad.
Fujitsu @ Newton Aycliffe
Siemens @ Silverlink
It does not help that both Fujitsu and Siemens are not UK companies. No incentive to stay in UK. If you do not have UK ownership then keeping manufacturing in the UK is less secure. The current fashion get PE to buy good companies, sell the assets, pump it up of 3 years and flog off to a foreign trade buyer is killing STEM companies.

GroundEffect

13,844 posts

157 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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RobEB said:
Blame the BBC, they've just taken on a £1.2 billion supercomputer - to make weather forecasting more accurate.
Paid for mostly by the licence fee, i should add.
It's easy to ignore stupid posts. But this one is too fantastic to.

You really believe the BBC themselves were the ones doing the forecasting? Really?

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Colonel D said:
The 30 series doesn't exist, never has, they've been lying to us from day one... To think I was foolish enough to believe I'd be able to pick up a 3060 or 70 soon after release.
I got a 3060 last month....albeit as part of a full system

GroundEffect

13,844 posts

157 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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CrutyRammers said:
Colonel D said:
The 30 series doesn't exist, never has, they've been lying to us from day one... To think I was foolish enough to believe I'd be able to pick up a 3060 or 70 soon after release.
I got a 3060 last month....albeit as part of a full system
I got a 3070 at RRP in December smile


Pusikurac

121 posts

41 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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CS Garth said:
Is there an overall shortage of semi conductors or are those being made being diverted to the most profitable sales channels ie electronics? Or both?
I suspect crypto mining is to blame. Graphic card prices are going through the roof. Again.

firebird350

323 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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A few months ago JLR closed their sales and service centre (run by Guy Salmon) in Ascot Hight St, re-locating to what amounts to an industrial complex over in nearby Bracknell.

Jaguar has spent many, presumably fruitful, years occupying a prime location in Ascot which has always been seen as a high-end 'shop window' in a pretty prestigious high street. You only have to look at the expensive upmarket vehicles both parked up and rolling through Ascot on a daily basis (not just on race days) to see that such a showroom is almost guaranteed to generate very well-heeled 'footfall' through it.

Location, location, location? It's without doubt a prime marketing site which has always hosted motor manufacturers' shop windows in my lifetime going right the way back to Ford owning/renting it back in the 1960's so the question is:

Are JLR suffering just from this shortage of computer components or are their problems perhaps running more deeply?

dutters

51 posts

112 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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GroundEffect said:
I got a 3070 at RRP in December smile
And I also go a 3060ti on release day smile
Also sold my 4 year old 1070 for £350 last week. All is good

LordLoveLength

1,934 posts

131 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Surprised nobody blaming Brexit. Standards are slipping.

camel_landy

4,923 posts

184 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Pusikurac said:
CS Garth said:
Is there an overall shortage of semi conductors or are those being made being diverted to the most profitable sales channels ie electronics? Or both?
I suspect crypto mining is to blame. Graphic card prices are going through the roof. Again.
It's no one thing... Demand is high for a number of reasons, crypto mining will be one but there was a huge surge in sales last year with everyone having to work from home and companies investing in the new kit. There's also at least one fabrication facility off-line and some challenges manufacturing some of the new stuff too.

Going into CV19, I believe the car manufacturers revised down, their requirements, which in turn released some capacity which was quickly snapped up to produce other products. However, now they want to increase the forecasts, they can't as there simply isn't the capacity... They just have to join the queue, like everyone else.

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camel_landy

4,923 posts

184 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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firebird350 said:
A few months ago JLR closed their sales and service centre (run by Guy Salmon) in Ascot Hight St, re-locating to what amounts to an industrial complex over in nearby Bracknell.

Jaguar has spent many, presumably fruitful, years occupying a prime location in Ascot which has always been seen as a high-end 'shop window' in a pretty prestigious high street. You only have to look at the expensive upmarket vehicles both parked up and rolling through Ascot on a daily basis (not just on race days) to see that such a showroom is almost guaranteed to generate very well-heeled 'footfall' through it.

Location, location, location? It's without doubt a prime marketing site which has always hosted motor manufacturers' shop windows in my lifetime going right the way back to Ford owning/renting it back in the 1960's so the question is:

Are JLR suffering just from this shortage of computer components or are their problems perhaps running more deeply?
Nah, that's not JLR, that's Guy Salmon...

Guy Salmon are an independent company but they have a JLR 'Franchise', hence the logos, branding, etc.

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CharlieH89

9,080 posts

166 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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Shutdown till atleast 10th May.

jet_noise

5,655 posts

183 months

Friday 23rd April 2021
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LordLoveLength said:
Surprised nobody blaming Brexit. Standards are slipping.
Or climate wink

BiggaJ

848 posts

40 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Not that I move semi conductors but I do move oil all over the world and shipping is a major issue, it has been for nearly a year now and shows no sign of improving anytime soon.

Worst case I have experienced is moving a container from Malaysia to the UK, scheduled to reach UK late January, actually arrived this week... So 4 months late.

The container has been to many sea ports being dropped off and picked up etc. Spent 3 weeks sitting in Rotterdam.

Typically what took 3 weeks to move is now taking 2 months at best.

Shipping prices have shot up, worst one I heard of was a container moving again from Malaysia to Rotterdam, normally it would cost $3-4k.....this time $17k.

Sheepshanks

32,806 posts

120 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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BiggaJ said:
Not that I move semi conductors but I do move oil all over the world and shipping is a major issue, it has been for nearly a year now and shows no sign of improving anytime soon.
Semiconductors move by air - and often make several flights as each stage of manufacturer is usually caried out in different locations.

It is a slight issue at the moment as often it'll be carried as freight on passenger aircraft and there are obvioulsy far fewer passenger flights, but it's a minor issue compared to general availability.

camel_landy

4,923 posts

184 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Sheepshanks said:
BiggaJ said:
Not that I move semi conductors but I do move oil all over the world and shipping is a major issue, it has been for nearly a year now and shows no sign of improving anytime soon.
Semiconductors move by air - and often make several flights as each stage of manufacturer is usually caried out in different locations.

It is a slight issue at the moment as often it'll be carried as freight on passenger aircraft and there are obvioulsy far fewer passenger flights, but it's a minor issue compared to general availability.
...but the finished product often goes by ship.

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