RE: Maserati Ghibli GT (AM336) | The Brave Pill

RE: Maserati Ghibli GT (AM336) | The Brave Pill

Saturday 1st May 2021

Maserati Ghibli GT (AM336) | The Brave Pill

Named after a wind, but will it blow you away?



Order the world's carmakers by perceived risk and Maserati normally features towards the top of the list. The Italian brand boasts a history longer and more distinguished than that of almost any other sports car maker, but also stands as living proof of the old adage about reputations being easily lost and hard to regain. The period when Maserati was under the control of Citroen and then De Tomaso - late sixties to early nineties - became synonymous with shonky build and expensive mechanical issues. Something that has dogged the company's image ever since.

This week's Brave Pill is offered as a stylish refutation to such generalized prejudices. Being a Ghibli means it was indeed developed during Maserati's long era of cioccolato quality, but being a late GT means this one was constructed after Ferrari had taken control and started to dramatically improve standards. More importantly, our Pill also seems to have been treated like a beloved heirloom, with a service history more likely to be measured in feet than inches and with evidence of copious spend. The selling dealer has even included a picture of an immaculate rear subframe which, but for the difficulty in actually balancing food on it, really does seem clean enough to eat your dinner off.

Maserati's long period of corporate poverty made it accomplished at making a little go a long way, and this generation of Ghibli stands as one of the best examples of this skill. The company had started to make a punchy twin-turbocharged V6 engine in the early 'eighties, but sales of the eponymous Biturbo this powered had slackened as the car aged. So Maserati decided to create a new model around what was basically the same mechanical package, the Gandini-designed Ghibli combining styling cues from the Biturbo and bigger, V8-engined Shamal into a handsome two-door coupe-saloon. Under the surface a fair amount had been carried over from the Biturbo, but the Ghibli wore its new metalwork like fine tailoring and looked impressively sleek and modern as launched in 1992.



Italian market versions of the Ghibli used a 2.0-litre V6 that had been carefully designed to slip under the country's capacity-based taxation regime, this delivering up to 325hp, a road car per-litre record at the time. Other parts of the world got a bigger 2.8-litre version of the V6, still featuring two turbochargers but making less power (280hp) but more torque. But even with this engine the Ghibli was still capable of both a 155mph top speed and a 6.0-second 0-62mph time; respectably brisk for the period, and it was one of very few cars that could combine such potent performance with the extra practicality of usable rear seats.

Not that early critical praise was particularly fulsome. Road testers were suitably impressed by the Ghibli's pace, less so by sometimes wayward handling. It also didn't take long for early buyers to discover the continued presence of some egregious quality issues. But Maserati worked hard on improving the car, giving it two facelifts, with the second of these coinciding with the arrival of GT spec. This brought revised suspension, an improved interior and what were then arch-filling 17-inch alloys.

Maserati didn't run much of a press fleet in the UK back then, which led to the Ghibli playing a small but significant role in the evolution of automotive journalism. Quite literally, in this case. Unable to borrow Masers through official channels, hacks soon learned to call up an enthusiastic owner who was happy to allow his Ghibli cup to be used in comparison tests: a nice chap called Harry Metcalfe. This leading to several of the relationships that ultimately led to Metcalfe's creation of evo magazine.

I never got the chance to whale on Harry's car, but I did get to experience an Italian-spec Ghibli of similar vintage to our Pill a few years ago. The driving position still followed the age-old Italian tradition of being designed for those long of arm and short of leg; some Ghibli owners have even taken the drastic step of extending their cars' steering columns. But the Ghibli's turbocharged engine felt impressively brawny despite its diminutive capacity, and its chassis combined strong grip with respectable agility, and seemed to enjoy being pushed hard.



Our Pill is a very late car, the seller says it is the penultimate of just 236 right-hand drive Ghiblis, and was originally ordered with both the optional four-speed automatic gearbox and the eye-catching combination of an oxblood leather and walnut interior that only the Italians could hope to pull off. Having been registered on the last day of 1999 it has covered just 84,000 miles since, with one of its owners loving it enough to pay for £12,500 of engine work when it was just six years old. Two of the subsequent keepers were apparently enthusiastic members of the Maserati owner's club.

The list of recent work includes refurbished subframes front and rear, a full suspension rebuild and four-wheel alignment, repainted wheels, fresh Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres and fresh rust protection to keep the underbody structure in what the vendor says is completely corrosion-free condition. A glimpse at the MOT history behind the obscured plates supports the mileage and throws up nothing of recent concern; a crop of advisories for deteriorated bushings and worn tyres in 2015 had all disappeared by the following year.

The £24,950 price certainly isn't lacking in seriousness, and represents a sizeable supplement over earlier and leggier examples of the 'M157' Ghibli four-door that is still on sale. But while it isn't long since shabbier nineties Ghiblis were in the bargain bin, the sheer rarity of the survivors - and fact most seem to now be in the long-term custodianship of enthusiasts - means our Pill isn't outrageously priced given its condition. When it comes to rattier Masers, the purchase price is just going to be where the spending begins. Here's one that makes the case for buy once, buy well.


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Esceptico

Original Poster:

7,541 posts

110 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Lovely exterior colour. Not so sure about the interior. Overall I like it. Definitely wouldn’t see many others on the road if you had this. Would have to be part of a larger collection though as would be a waste to use it as a daily.

GravelBen

15,714 posts

231 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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I do like this era of Maserati (Ghibli, Shamal, Quattroporte), far more interesting than the modern ones - they lost a lot of their individuality after the 3200GT.

I don't think I'd be brave enough to actually own one though!

Edited by GravelBen on Saturday 1st May 03:25

Gareth9702

370 posts

133 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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That is a beautiful car. The price matches the apparent quality but makes it more of a show car than a daily driver. The performance is modest but delivered very stylishly.

benzinbob

750 posts

57 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Named after wind, will probably turn into a stty mess before too soon but just look how cool it is

2smoke

218 posts

112 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Love the shape of this as I love the Alfa 155/Lancia Dedra. Something about the big boxy boot and the front end wedge always appealed. Not sure if they made a manual, but that would be the one for me. That said there can’t be many to choose from these days so I’d still give this ago if I had somewhere warm and dry to keep it. Even quite like the oxblood leather.

peteA

2,681 posts

235 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Always liked the look of these but don’t think I’d ever look to own one - I’d say a proper brave pill

The gear selector looks like a sausage on a stick 😁

McRors

285 posts

57 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Definitely a yes from me. Very stylish and screams of good taste, interior included. The gear selector Is definitely a sausage (BBQ’d’) on a skewer, though. One would definitely need a garage to keep it in good fettle, which along with a lack of said readies, counts me out.

Fink-Nottle

388 posts

43 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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I want one of these so very badly and have been looking for a LHD example for a whole year now.

But as the article states, Ghibli IIs are rare to begin with, and Ghibli IIs in fine mechanical condition with documented history are even rarer.

Add to this that many (50+%?) are auto versions, that the most popular leather color seems to have been Nivea cream, and that you should really only pick a GT from the later 1990s with its new differential and 456 rear subframe, and you're really looking for a haystack needle.

Might as well buy a Shamal. But are you going to drive it? No, you aren't.

So, what about a Quattroporte IV, of which there's a fair amount in my region? Well, what about them? V8 engine, but looks anonymous. And again with the Nivea cream.


Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

108 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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McRors said:
Definitely a yes from me. Very stylish and screams of good taste, interior included. The gear selector Is definitely a sausage (BBQ’d’) on a skewer, though. One would definitely need a garage to keep it in good fettle, which along with a lack of said readies, counts me out.
Long nosed Delta with a boot.
I think it is beautiful but I've always been a sucker for Italian design, even 80's/90's cut from a block of parmigiana looks.

ducnick

1,800 posts

244 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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I’m not so sure about the bravery required for this. You would have to be braver to buy a v6 diesel Land Rover product and we see loads of those on the roads. The engine in this is fundamentally sound. They need frequent oil changes but you can do that at home. The 2.8 is less stressed than the 2.0 and suits the auto box well. The biggest concern is complex dampers that are unobtainable. If they failed you would need to swap out for generic coil overs. The ghibli cup is something else entirely. Those things are beasts of the old school where nothing happens for a bit then all hell breaks loose. This is much more along the lines of a stock Jag xk8 competitor. It’s got me quite tempted in actual fact reminiscing about my biturbo. If it were me, I would probably seek out a cup or a quattropotte v4 Evo as those things were lovely and much more of a real Maserati than the Ferrari engined successor.

Edited by ducnick on Saturday 1st May 09:31

Lotusgone

1,198 posts

128 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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I'd say that buying any unwarrantied Maserati qualifies for a brave pill.

sidewinder500

1,161 posts

95 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Always one of my favourite cars since their launch, combining the slightly underwhelming Biturbo and the brash Shamal to a purposeful looking thing. Aaah, that blocky 90's look, wonderful.
Apart from the pill being nicely coloured inside and out, you really need and want a manual, preferably a later 6-speed with the 456 rear, when sorted they are such eminently chuckable, nimble and usable machines. Small with largish boot, perfect for a long weekend away.
Had a drive just two weeks ago in the earlier 224 coupe, almost the same, only cranked to 8,5 (220 hp or so and no pumped fenders), it was so direct and honest, it was a pleasure.

But, and this is a big one, there are almost no spare parts available anymore, you have to keep a parts car for almost all body parts, especially glass and lamps, mechanical stuff costs a fortune now, and although they are generally reliable (some on mega miles), they do rust, the front suspension frames crack (hard to detect) and they are so low (the switch to 17 inch wheels was because of that) that you can rip your oil pan on a speed bump.

IMO they are a lot more driver's car than a 993, with a bigger boot and unreal punch in 3rd gear, so it has to be a manual to dig in that power.

The financial upkeep needed for them let them slip to the best enjoyed from afar side, sadly.

Chubbyross

4,552 posts

86 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Note to self: never order a car with red interior and walnut.

Apart from that I have a serious desire for this car.

unpc

2,837 posts

214 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Love Maseratis from this era and they haven't made a single car since that I've desired. A Shamal would be the daddy of course but this GT is lovely with the exception of the wood trim hurl

s m

23,264 posts

204 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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GravelBen said:
I do like this era of Maserati (Ghibli, Shamal, Quattroporte), far more interesting than the modern ones - they lost a lot of their individuality after the 3200GT.

I don't think I'd be brave enough to actually own one though!

Edited by GravelBen on Saturday 1st May 03:25
Same here - I’d need that lottery win to take the plunge based on the bills a friend with a biturbo as a daily runner used to generate

Always fancied the Karif too after the CAR front page back in the late 80s

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,072 posts

99 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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Great pill! No rational reason you would buy one of these ahead of an M3 we don't live in a rational world....

scottygib553

540 posts

96 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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So this is a Spotted: article then?

Gorgeous car. So would.

s m

23,264 posts

204 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Great pill! No rational reason you would buy one of these ahead of an M3 we don't live in a rational world....
smile

I remember that article well


voxcont

38 posts

76 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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A beautiful looking car, and in my opinion these wheels suit it much better than those of the Ghibli Cup.

I first saw one of these as a teenager in the late 1990's. My jaw dropped as it pulled up beside me as it looked so muscular and brilliantly different to so many other boring looking cars of that era.

And then a hot blonde got out of the car (passenger door). That, combined with the exhaust sound as it drove off and I was sold.

And then when I was in a position to be able to afford one I did some research and realised that these really do have the potential to go well beyond being financially ruinous.

Some parts are near enough impossible to get, and it's not unusual for both turbos to fail at the same time. I lot have been wrapped around lamp posts too. Nevermind bulkhead corrosion issues...... Beyond brave in my opinion.

That said, If you buy this pill and drive it carefully for a couple of thousand miles, you should be able to make a decent profit, as it was on sale from the same chap a year ago for £5K less!

Edit - I now see it's had a lot of work done to it which would almost certainly exceed the increase in price over four years.




There are however some great forums:

http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri241.htm

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?forums/cl...


Edited by voxcont on Saturday 1st May 15:29

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Saturday 1st May 2021
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It was provisionally sold a few months ago but I think the buyer pulled out due to unforeseen circumstances. If I could afford it I'd be seriously tempted as I know Dicky has an excellent reputation when it comes to Masers.