RE: Musk cancels Tesla Model S Plaid+
Discussion
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Shock horror.
"no need, Plaid is just so good"
That sounds exactly like the words uttered by someone who's keen to drive technology forward
I'm really not a fan of any Tesla's, in fact I really don't like them at all but that has to be one of the most absurd criticisms ever levelled at the guy."no need, Plaid is just so good"
That sounds exactly like the words uttered by someone who's keen to drive technology forward
Numeric said:
I think Musk is telling the truth.
I am always told to knock a third off the range of an electric car for real world chilly damp M4 style motoring when I ask the question, so I guess that would have had a massive benefit to a Plaid + for either not needing to charge or practical for the long haul warriors out there BUT how many are there out there and how much more would this have cost.
So in a way Elon (I am not a fan) was right I suspect - the Plaid is actually good enough for X% of the population and the extra few % that would really benefit from the extension is just not enough for the expense of bringing it to market. I killed a lot of 'better' car programmes back in the day for exactly this reason.
The trouble is the endless idiotic hype - from announcements of new models, performance and worst of all 'full self driving' which would lull people into a false sense of security if it is ever launched. If he hadn't over hyped this Plaid + programme he would just look like he was making a very rationale business decision, not failing somehow!!
What is fascinating is my 11 year old nephew is convinced the Tesla is the best car in the world because it has ludicrous mode and self diving etc. I'm intrigued to see if this will all translate into long term sales - to my eyes the S is looking quite old and are there enough people who think my nephew is right?
(And yes If I was to get an Electric car I suggest 3 would be at or near the top of my list, but not because of the hype but because it seems to be a good car!!)
I read it as Elon claimed huge range based on future battery tech he thought he was going to have. Has realised he can’t make the battery he claimed he would. Cancel project because can’t be currently done.I am always told to knock a third off the range of an electric car for real world chilly damp M4 style motoring when I ask the question, so I guess that would have had a massive benefit to a Plaid + for either not needing to charge or practical for the long haul warriors out there BUT how many are there out there and how much more would this have cost.
So in a way Elon (I am not a fan) was right I suspect - the Plaid is actually good enough for X% of the population and the extra few % that would really benefit from the extension is just not enough for the expense of bringing it to market. I killed a lot of 'better' car programmes back in the day for exactly this reason.
The trouble is the endless idiotic hype - from announcements of new models, performance and worst of all 'full self driving' which would lull people into a false sense of security if it is ever launched. If he hadn't over hyped this Plaid + programme he would just look like he was making a very rationale business decision, not failing somehow!!
What is fascinating is my 11 year old nephew is convinced the Tesla is the best car in the world because it has ludicrous mode and self diving etc. I'm intrigued to see if this will all translate into long term sales - to my eyes the S is looking quite old and are there enough people who think my nephew is right?
(And yes If I was to get an Electric car I suggest 3 would be at or near the top of my list, but not because of the hype but because it seems to be a good car!!)
Edited by Numeric on Monday 7th June 12:27
Back peddling fast.
fblm said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Shock horror.
"no need, Plaid is just so good"
That sounds exactly like the words uttered by someone who's keen to drive technology forward
I'm really not a fan of any Tesla's, in fact I really don't like them at all but that has to be one of the most absurd criticisms ever levelled at the guy."no need, Plaid is just so good"
That sounds exactly like the words uttered by someone who's keen to drive technology forward
redroadster said:
Tesla are been caught up too at a rapid rate, think he will sell out soon too much competition has arrived with better build quality from the European big guns, this was always going to happen think tesla has peaked.
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
ntiz said:
I read it as Elon claimed huge range based on future battery tech he thought he was going to have. Has realised he can’t make the battery he claimed he would. Cancel project because can’t be currently done.
Back peddling fast.
Plaid+ range was based on 4680 cells - but it's unclear what the situation is with those cells currently. It may be that they are available but in limited numbers, and so need to be ringfenced for other uses - maybe the Semi?Back peddling fast.
redroadster said:
Tesla are been caught up too at a rapid rate, think he will sell out soon too much competition has arrived with better build quality from the European big guns, this was always going to happen think tesla has peaked.
only VW atm has any thing even close to volume production EVs, the rest are w
king about with low volume premium models, iroinically in terms of total % of sales as EV porsche are miles ahead of all of them Limpet said:
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP.
I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
Absolutely. If other OEMs had a comparable charging network other BEVs would be much more competitive. But they don't, so a Tesla is still the best BEV to live with if you have to charge away from home. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
AlphaDelta said:
Limpet said:
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP.
I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
Absolutely. If other OEMs had a comparable charging network other BEVs would be much more competitive. But they don't, so a Tesla is still the best BEV to live with if you have to charge away from home. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
If you have a Taycan you can go pretty much anywhere a Tesla can. Annoyingly the UK is not that well covered though.
ntiz said:
AlphaDelta said:
Limpet said:
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP.
I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
Absolutely. If other OEMs had a comparable charging network other BEVs would be much more competitive. But they don't, so a Tesla is still the best BEV to live with if you have to charge away from home. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
If you have a Taycan you can go pretty much anywhere a Tesla can. Annoyingly the UK is not that well covered though.
F20CN16 said:
ntiz said:
AlphaDelta said:
Limpet said:
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP.
I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
Absolutely. If other OEMs had a comparable charging network other BEVs would be much more competitive. But they don't, so a Tesla is still the best BEV to live with if you have to charge away from home. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
If you have a Taycan you can go pretty much anywhere a Tesla can. Annoyingly the UK is not that well covered though.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
F20CN16 said:
ntiz said:
AlphaDelta said:
Limpet said:
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP.
I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
Absolutely. If other OEMs had a comparable charging network other BEVs would be much more competitive. But they don't, so a Tesla is still the best BEV to live with if you have to charge away from home. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
If you have a Taycan you can go pretty much anywhere a Tesla can. Annoyingly the UK is not that well covered though.
mft said:
Plaid+ range was based on 4680 cells - but it's unclear what the situation is with those cells currently. It may be that they are available but in limited numbers, and so need to be ringfenced for other uses - maybe the Semi?
Correct. No point in throwing a large percentage of 4680 cells into a Plaid+ which really only adds unnecessary range / overlaps Roadster performance when they can dedicate all of the cells to new vehicles using structural battery packs like the Cybertruck, even the Semi. They're making the most of their material restrictions and 4680 ramp-up.
Limpet said:
redroadster said:
Tesla are been caught up too at a rapid rate, think he will sell out soon too much competition has arrived with better build quality from the European big guns, this was always going to happen think tesla has peaked.
You're forgetting the charging infrastructure. I could never see how their model was sustainable once the big boys got in on the act, but this really is a differentiator and a USP. I still think it would steer me down Tesla's path if I were in the market for a BEV today.
The Tesla Supercharger network is the one thing that draws me to Tesla over any other manufacturer, despite not really being all that impressed with Tesla cars themselves. I’ve seen a far few YouTube videos of people trying to charge up their non-Tesla cars using Ecotricity points for example, it seems to be a right faff and hit and miss whether they even work or not.
Unfortunately for Tesla, they insist on not bothering with interior design, instead thinking that an excessively large touch screen is a suitable alternative to actually designing a cabin. As such, I shall not be joining the BEV movement anytime soon it seems…
robsprocket said:
So what's the range after a few 2s 0/60 runs and some 200mph blasts? 50? 100?
Your warranty would be void. These cars were Elon’s BS attempt to rubbish Porsche. The Plaid editions were bolted together moments after Porsche set a “record” at the ring. Now the Taycan is out he no longer needs to screw with their launch.
Unfortunately, the masses don’t seem to realize that a car that can “do 0-60 in less than 2 seconds” but will have the warranty voided if you try, is not a good thing! The Tesla Model S plaid, a model shape that has been around for nearly 10 years, is in the same ball park cost as a Taycan Turbo.
The real Tesla gimmic died years ago when BMW came out with the I range. They were not alone either. Tesla have resorted to childish “eleveneriffe” marketing and continued to fail to deliver.
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