RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance
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Max_Torque said:
I don't honestly think anyone is saying a current EV is ideal for a multi-thousand mile continuous high speed dash across Europe
But what hopefully we are saying is that these journeys are possible with some inconvienence. And for most people, that one journey is not a very regular occurance, and so the benefits of the EV for the rest of the time outweigh the negatives.
Most car owners think nothing of hiring a transit van when they need to move a sofa, they don't drive a van all year around because twice a year they need one, they just hire it. I don't see why the same can't apply to EV's?
The other issue with the Tesla was taht I didn't find it great in town either. It's quite a big car, so my wife still wanted a little car of her own for the local runs, which meant that the Tesla was used for the longer stuff.But what hopefully we are saying is that these journeys are possible with some inconvienence. And for most people, that one journey is not a very regular occurance, and so the benefits of the EV for the rest of the time outweigh the negatives.
Most car owners think nothing of hiring a transit van when they need to move a sofa, they don't drive a van all year around because twice a year they need one, they just hire it. I don't see why the same can't apply to EV's?
For me, at the moment, it's still the case that I'll like electric for the small town car, and petrol for the other stuff.
andy43 said:
We've been to the Algarve via Tesla and eurotunnel from Manchester. It worked fine - added maybe 6-8 hours on compared to diesel, with supercharger stops wherever it told us to stop. 'Because-covid' we didn't stop - dozed in car during charges and had a 4 hour big doze somewhere in Spain. On the plus side it drives itself, the 2-3 hour stops worked well with kids and dog, and my bladder doesn't have a 500 mile range now anyway.
Would I even contemplate doing that trip in any other EV - no chance.
That's pretty much my thinking. I'm only 100 miles away form the tunnel, so after spending our usual 45 mins getting coffee, buying over priced "duty free" stuff we should start pretty much full.Would I even contemplate doing that trip in any other EV - no chance.
Edited by andy43 on Monday 14th June 10:34
Stopping every 2 hours for a charge isn't a huge issue, it's pretty much what we do at the moment.
It'll take a little longer, but it's no big deal, we don't have strict deadlines to meet.
chrisironside said:
Zooming to these locations and moving the map a hair's breadth it looks to me like:
Reading - 19 rapid chargers within a 6 mile radius
Maidenhead - 5 rapid chargers within 9 miles
Camberley - 15 rapid chargers within 8 miles
All you are doing expanding the area and added many more users.Reading - 19 rapid chargers within a 6 mile radius
Maidenhead - 5 rapid chargers within 9 miles
Camberley - 15 rapid chargers within 8 miles
Maidenhead now includes Slough and Windsor I'm guessing, so you have now upped the population to 266600 for 5 chargers.
Camberley now includes Fleet, Farnborough, Bagshot, Frimley, Sandhurst etc
Reading now includes all out lying villages and motorway services etc. Time to cross Reading can be a nightmare, lets take an example, train station to Ikea, the "best" trip could be 15 min each way, but normally around 30 mins each way.
Hopefully with 10000 BEV being added to the UK roads every month, the powers that be will start pushing for more chargers to be added to the network quickly.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
My personal issue with an EV is the charging network. I've a few 50kW chargers near me but I only have street parking, and not always can I park right outside my house. If I wanted a home charger, would they allow me to have dedicated parking spot? If not, it'd mean going to a charging place (like I do with a petrol station), except it'd likely mean a long wait which is a pain, and it appears that when charging at these places it's not much cheaper than than an efficient petrol engine....?
have you done any research on what is being developed for people in your situation?you haven't
So, here's just one - https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/electric-ca...
I, for one, am relieved.
dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
I have a V8 for fun Problem with Teslas is they are just too fast! If they were about as nippy as a Nissan Leaf nobody would be comparing them to M5s and E63s so the whole 'they drive much worse than a Taycan' conversation wouldn't even be relevant. MS is a boat, it's just very very quick off the line. M3 with suspension and brakes is a weapon though - Nurbugring youtube people have a few of them. Superfast, super efficient. But fun? Emotional? Naah.I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
My personal issue with an EV is the charging network. I've a few 50kW chargers near me but I only have street parking, and not always can I park right outside my house. If I wanted a home charger, would they allow me to have dedicated parking spot? If not, it'd mean going to a charging place (like I do with a petrol station), except it'd likely mean a long wait which is a pain, and it appears that when charging at these places it's not much cheaper than than an efficient petrol engine....?
have you done any research on what is being developed for people in your situation?you haven't
So, here's just one - https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/electric-ca...
I, for one, am relieved.
andy43 said:
This is everything listed on zapmap that's over 100kw - CCS and Tesla. Left Chademo off because it's a bit out of date.
I suppose under 100kw is fine too if you just need a top up, fancy sleeping in your car or you're a reaaallly slow coffee drinker.
Which ones are actually working? Hmmm.
Steady there fella EV drivers religiously stop for 45 mins every 2 hours for their "comfort break" taking in the scenery, pissing, drinking coffee and having breakfast / lunch / dinner of course!I suppose under 100kw is fine too if you just need a top up, fancy sleeping in your car or you're a reaaallly slow coffee drinker.
Which ones are actually working? Hmmm.
TX.
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I thought something similar. We've not gone exclusively EV - I still have ICE cars available.Mind you - after watching Harry's Garage, I can't help but think that I'd much rather have an Audi RS E-Tron GT ABC XYZ than any Tesla at >£100k. I am sure I can live without that last nth of acceleration.
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I'd imagne quite a few. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, and an even greater proportion of people buying EVs aren't. In London parkking spaces and permits are not exactly easy to come by, so irrespective of wealth one car is quite common.Looking around the neighbours here most have a £100k+ car, and about half of those have it as their only car.
Northernboy said:
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I'd imagne quite a few. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, and an even greater proportion of people buying EVs aren't. In London parkking spaces and permits are not exactly easy to come by, so irrespective of wealth one car is quite common.Looking around the neighbours here most have a £100k+ car, and about half of those have it as their only car.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
EV prices need to plummet (and they will, I'm sure) before they become viable for the majority.
why?How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
100% agree. My model 3 performance is great at most things but I’m so pleased I have the Alfa 4C for fun (albeit slower).I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
Moley RUFC said:
dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
100% agree. My model 3 performance is great at most things but I’m so pleased I have the Alfa 4C for fun (albeit slower).I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
You come in here with your own experiences and thoughts and 'how you make it work for you'...honestly...
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
why?
How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
Which one can you lease for £162 per month, and are you sure that there isn't an upfront payment needed as well?How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
Was talking to my brother, his company have given him the offer of a long range Model 3 in lieu of a car allowance, he has a Focus ST he plans to get remapped and likes it.I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
So would lose £400 a month and gain a very quickly accelerating and fairly decent EV, but lose a petrol engine and possibly some fun.
Its a sort of Faustian exchange, can imagine after the wheeee bit of the acceleration, whoopee cushions hilarity and other novelty there may be a "What have I done" moment.
I want him to get one so I can have a go but think he would regret it, he does too.
I am strange as I love the whole EV thing but dont have much of a desire for one, need to drive one properly but based on the odd passenger ride, I am happy with my noisy, bouncy, obnoxious boy racer Ford.
Northernboy said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
why?
How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
Which one can you lease for £162 per month, and are you sure that there isn't an upfront payment needed as well?How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
£99/month for 3 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have to do is put down a £116000 deposit
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