RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

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Northernboy

11,986 posts

226 months

Monday 14th June
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Max_Torque said:
I don't honestly think anyone is saying a current EV is ideal for a multi-thousand mile continuous high speed dash across Europe

But what hopefully we are saying is that these journeys are possible with some inconvienence. And for most people, that one journey is not a very regular occurance, and so the benefits of the EV for the rest of the time outweigh the negatives.

Most car owners think nothing of hiring a transit van when they need to move a sofa, they don't drive a van all year around because twice a year they need one, they just hire it. I don't see why the same can't apply to EV's?
The other issue with the Tesla was taht I didn't find it great in town either. It's quite a big car, so my wife still wanted a little car of her own for the local runs, which meant that the Tesla was used for the longer stuff.

For me, at the moment, it's still the case that I'll like electric for the small town car, and petrol for the other stuff.

WestyCarl

2,584 posts

94 months

Monday 14th June
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andy43 said:
We've been to the Algarve via Tesla and eurotunnel from Manchester. It worked fine - added maybe 6-8 hours on compared to diesel, with supercharger stops wherever it told us to stop. 'Because-covid' we didn't stop - dozed in car during charges and had a 4 hour big doze somewhere in Spain. On the plus side it drives itself, the 2-3 hour stops worked well with kids and dog, and my bladder doesn't have a 500 mile range now anyway.

Would I even contemplate doing that trip in any other EV - no chance.

Edited by andy43 on Monday 14th June 10:34
That's pretty much my thinking. I'm only 100 miles away form the tunnel, so after spending our usual 45 mins getting coffee, buying over priced "duty free" stuff we should start pretty much full.

Stopping every 2 hours for a charge isn't a huge issue, it's pretty much what we do at the moment.

It'll take a little longer, but it's no big deal, we don't have strict deadlines to meet.

dbs2000

2,456 posts

161 months

Monday 14th June
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Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.

TheRainMaker

4,916 posts

211 months

Monday 14th June
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chrisironside said:
Zooming to these locations and moving the map a hair's breadth it looks to me like:

Reading - 19 rapid chargers within a 6 mile radius
Maidenhead - 5 rapid chargers within 9 miles
Camberley - 15 rapid chargers within 8 miles
All you are doing expanding the area and added many more users.

Maidenhead now includes Slough and Windsor I'm guessing, so you have now upped the population to 266600 for 5 chargers.

Camberley now includes Fleet, Farnborough, Bagshot, Frimley, Sandhurst etc

Reading now includes all out lying villages and motorway services etc. Time to cross Reading can be a nightmare, lets take an example, train station to Ikea, the "best" trip could be 15 min each way, but normally around 30 mins each way.

Hopefully with 10000 BEV being added to the UK roads every month, the powers that be will start pushing for more chargers to be added to the network quickly.

Pixelpeep Z4

7,153 posts

111 months

Monday 14th June
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
My personal issue with an EV is the charging network. I've a few 50kW chargers near me but I only have street parking, and not always can I park right outside my house. If I wanted a home charger, would they allow me to have dedicated parking spot? If not, it'd mean going to a charging place (like I do with a petrol station), except it'd likely mean a long wait which is a pain, and it appears that when charging at these places it's not much cheaper than than an efficient petrol engine....?
have you done any research on what is being developed for people in your situation?

you haven't

So, here's just one - https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/electric-ca...
No I haven't, that's why I you see the question marks in my post, and I've no intention to buy an eV any time soon so it isn't of great concern currently, I was just asking the question. Thanks for the link, and also for not being too condescending wink
Well now you have a potential solution for a personal issue you posted about which then turned out to be not a great concern of yours.

I, for one, am relieved.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

27,818 posts

181 months

Monday 14th June
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Well now you have a potential solution for a personal issue you posted about which then turned out to be not a great concern of yours.

I, for one, am relieved.
And me too, if it becomes reality. It'd be very good for sure!

andy43

7,451 posts

223 months

Monday 14th June
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dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
I have a V8 for fun smile Problem with Teslas is they are just too fast! If they were about as nippy as a Nissan Leaf nobody would be comparing them to M5s and E63s so the whole 'they drive much worse than a Taycan' conversation wouldn't even be relevant. MS is a boat, it's just very very quick off the line. M3 with suspension and brakes is a weapon though - Nurbugring youtube people have a few of them. Superfast, super efficient. But fun? Emotional? Naah.

Dogtanyan

38 posts

72 months

Monday 14th June
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Shame they all look like Toyotas. Just don't do it for me.

Burwood

17,706 posts

215 months

Monday 14th June
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
My personal issue with an EV is the charging network. I've a few 50kW chargers near me but I only have street parking, and not always can I park right outside my house. If I wanted a home charger, would they allow me to have dedicated parking spot? If not, it'd mean going to a charging place (like I do with a petrol station), except it'd likely mean a long wait which is a pain, and it appears that when charging at these places it's not much cheaper than than an efficient petrol engine....?
have you done any research on what is being developed for people in your situation?

you haven't

So, here's just one - https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/electric-ca...
No I haven't, that's why I you see the question marks in my post, and I've no intention to buy an eV any time soon so it isn't of great concern currently, I was just asking the question. Thanks for the link, and also for not being too condescending wink
Well now you have a potential solution for a personal issue you posted about which then turned out to be not a great concern of yours.

I, for one, am relieved.
A potential solution? The roads are in a shocking state. You believe they'll be good for wireless charging? All they require is a Solid Sate battery good for 400 miles and the ability to recharge(80%) in 15 minutes (which is what SS batteries can do).

Terminator X

11,357 posts

173 months

Tuesday 15th June
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andy43 said:
This is everything listed on zapmap that's over 100kw - CCS and Tesla. Left Chademo off because it's a bit out of date.
I suppose under 100kw is fine too if you just need a top up, fancy sleeping in your car or you're a reaaallly slow coffee drinker.

Which ones are actually working? Hmmm.
Steady there fella EV drivers religiously stop for 45 mins every 2 hours for their "comfort break" taking in the scenery, pissing, drinking coffee and having breakfast / lunch / dinner of course!

TX.

fblm

19,055 posts

232 months

Tuesday 15th June
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How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?

PhantomPH

4,027 posts

194 months

Tuesday 15th June
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fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I thought something similar. We've not gone exclusively EV - I still have ICE cars available.

Mind you - after watching Harry's Garage, I can't help but think that I'd much rather have an Audi RS E-Tron GT ABC XYZ than any Tesla at >£100k. I am sure I can live without that last nth of acceleration.

Northernboy

11,986 posts

226 months

Tuesday 15th June
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fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I'd imagne quite a few. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, and an even greater proportion of people buying EVs aren't. In London parkking spaces and permits are not exactly easy to come by, so irrespective of wealth one car is quite common.

Looking around the neighbours here most have a £100k+ car, and about half of those have it as their only car.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

27,818 posts

181 months

Tuesday 15th June
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fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
But when we're talking about an only EV future it's not well and good to say "just have a petrol car too".

EV prices need to plummet (and they will, I'm sure) before they become viable for the majority.

Burwood

17,706 posts

215 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Northernboy said:
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I'd imagne quite a few. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, and an even greater proportion of people buying EVs aren't. In London parkking spaces and permits are not exactly easy to come by, so irrespective of wealth one car is quite common.

Looking around the neighbours here most have a £100k+ car, and about half of those have it as their only car.
Farningham isn't typical though mate biggrin

Pixelpeep Z4

7,153 posts

111 months

Tuesday 15th June
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
EV prices need to plummet (and they will, I'm sure) before they become viable for the majority.
why?

How cheap do they need to be?

New evs start at around £20k

Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k

you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.

Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?

Moley RUFC

3,430 posts

158 months

Tuesday 15th June
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dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
100% agree. My model 3 performance is great at most things but I’m so pleased I have the Alfa 4C for fun (albeit slower).

PhantomPH

4,027 posts

194 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Moley RUFC said:
dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
100% agree. My model 3 performance is great at most things but I’m so pleased I have the Alfa 4C for fun (albeit slower).
Will you two stop it!! Don't you know where you are?? Pistonheads - where 'black and white opinions only' matter.

You come in here with your own experiences and thoughts and 'how you make it work for you'...honestly...

Northernboy

11,986 posts

226 months

Tuesday 15th June
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
why?

How cheap do they need to be?

New evs start at around £20k

Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k

you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.

Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
Which one can you lease for £162 per month, and are you sure that there isn't an upfront payment needed as well?

J4CKO

34,561 posts

169 months

Tuesday 15th June
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dbs2000 said:
Yes its fast but "fun" it won't be.
I have a model 3 for the daily and its brilliant at that, I enjoy no petrol stations, I enjoy the autopilot (/really just lane cruise control), I enjoy how relaxing it is on a long drive, but fun, absolutely not.
Was talking to my brother, his company have given him the offer of a long range Model 3 in lieu of a car allowance, he has a Focus ST he plans to get remapped and likes it.

So would lose £400 a month and gain a very quickly accelerating and fairly decent EV, but lose a petrol engine and possibly some fun.

Its a sort of Faustian exchange, can imagine after the wheeee bit of the acceleration, whoopee cushions hilarity and other novelty there may be a "What have I done" moment.

I want him to get one so I can have a go but think he would regret it, he does too.

I am strange as I love the whole EV thing but dont have much of a desire for one, need to drive one properly but based on the odd passenger ride, I am happy with my noisy, bouncy, obnoxious boy racer Ford.