RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

Author
Discussion

Numpty with honours

87 posts

52 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Perhaps I am in a bad mood, but what is the point of the performance figures of this new Tesla when it is inevitable that changes over speed are just around the corner

Limiters come in 2022 and with electric cars the government are losing just under 70 pence per litre in excise duty. Therefore, it must be inevitable that cars will have to have tracking devices to show their mileage so that lost revenue can be raised. A monthly statement ( like your mobile phone account) and with the tracking device, speeding violations will be noted and reported (possibly to your insurers) and fines raised - perhaps advisory notes reminding you of what the speed limits are on certain roads.




TyrannosauRoss Lex

27,818 posts

181 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Numpty with honours said:
Perhaps I am in a bad mood, but what is the point of the performance figures of this new Tesla when it is inevitable that changes over speed are just around the corner

Limiters come in 2022 and with electric cars the government are losing just under 70 pence per litre in excise duty. Therefore, it must be inevitable that cars will have to have tracking devices to show their mileage so that lost revenue can be raised. A monthly statement ( like your mobile phone account) and with the tracking device, speeding violations will be noted and reported (possibly to your insurers) and fines raised - perhaps advisory notes reminding you of what the speed limits are on certain roads.
Because we aren't living in a future of "what might happen", and the fact that Tesla are an American company.

andy43

7,451 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
jagfan2 said:
cidered77 said:
did not know that - and in fairness, that is cool.

Not really in the market for one of these, or any Tesla just yet - but, got to admire what they're doing, and like it or not, what they're doing is different: cars that havent changed design for a decade, but continually evolving powertrain and software. Maybe that's the future right there....

Also love how they wind up crusty middle aged men who Don't Like Change and That's That!smile
Not a Musk fan per se, but i i do like his geek cool sometimes, i loved this mel brooks movie, its a hilarious star wars spoof

He also names his SpaceX landing droneships after famous AI spaceships ones from my favourite Sci-Fi author Iain M. Banks (lost too soon). While his ideology goes a long way from Banks's its still cool, and his latest ship is the 'A Shortfall of Gravitas' which is the perhaps best ship name ( the ships AI's pick their own names - its a thing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_spaceport...

Not sure only updating software/powertrains fully works, most OEMS do do this with mid cycle refreshes, but in theory mobiles could do this and they dont. The Model S is very dated now, but at least older ones can be upgraded with new screens and GUI to support the new software (some free as they had a major warranty issue), though other OEMs have cottoned on and doing this more finally
We have a model S - the software update notification just pings up on the app and the car screen. Choose when you want it updating and it just gets on with it. Longest update has been 50 minutes (you need to be connected to WiFi) and you can’t drive during an update obviously.
Compare to Mercedes - book the car in for nearly a day plugged into a computer at the dealer with the off the cuff comment of if it doesn’t work you’ll need a new Ecu.

cidered77

1,130 posts

166 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
andy43 said:
jagfan2 said:
cidered77 said:
did not know that - and in fairness, that is cool.

Not really in the market for one of these, or any Tesla just yet - but, got to admire what they're doing, and like it or not, what they're doing is different: cars that havent changed design for a decade, but continually evolving powertrain and software. Maybe that's the future right there....

Also love how they wind up crusty middle aged men who Don't Like Change and That's That!smile
Not a Musk fan per se, but i i do like his geek cool sometimes, i loved this mel brooks movie, its a hilarious star wars spoof

He also names his SpaceX landing droneships after famous AI spaceships ones from my favourite Sci-Fi author Iain M. Banks (lost too soon). While his ideology goes a long way from Banks's its still cool, and his latest ship is the 'A Shortfall of Gravitas' which is the perhaps best ship name ( the ships AI's pick their own names - its a thing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_spaceport...

Not sure only updating software/powertrains fully works, most OEMS do do this with mid cycle refreshes, but in theory mobiles could do this and they dont. The Model S is very dated now, but at least older ones can be upgraded with new screens and GUI to support the new software (some free as they had a major warranty issue), though other OEMs have cottoned on and doing this more finally
We have a model S - the software update notification just pings up on the app and the car screen. Choose when you want it updating and it just gets on with it. Longest update has been 50 minutes (you need to be connected to WiFi) and you can’t drive during an update obviously.
Compare to Mercedes - book the car in for nearly a day plugged into a computer at the dealer with the off the cuff comment of if it doesn’t work you’ll need a new Ecu.
Owners do seem to love that in fairness to Tesla.

Could anyone else get away with designing what even the most ardent fans would agree is a pretty bland/generic design, not change it really at all since launching, but still both increasing sales *and* being considered - rightly so - at cutting edge of technology.

It's such a different way of doing things, and must mean their R&D on the metal stuff as a proportion of that spent on software and battery /motor tech is tiny..... got to admire them, even if their product doesn't appeal to me, just yet at least.

J4CKO

34,561 posts

169 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
A model S from ten years ago does look very similar to a brand new one now, has to be said but it seems simpler to integrate design changes with EV's than ICE cars. New battery tech, it goes where the old ones went, new motor tech, same deal, just doesnt seem to need the whole car designed and packaged from scratch round the powertrain once its been done.

Watched the "Goonzquad" Youtubers pull the rear motor from a Model X that had been crashed, looked a lot easier than pulling a combustion engine, two wires, a few bolts, couple of coolant pipes and three electrical connectors. No driveshafts to uncouple, no exhaust, less wiring and it just drops down as one subframe with all the parts in it, ok it has two but thats a monster SUV, normal hatchback EV's should be even simpler.

I have helped my mate who buys and sells mobility scooters doing some repairs in the past when he was stuck and it looks for all the world like a scaled up Shoprider Rascal biggrin

annodomini2

6,389 posts

220 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
cidered77 said:
It's such a different way of doing things, and must mean their R&D on the metal stuff as a proportion of that spent on software and battery /motor tech is tiny.....
Same for other automakers for the last 30yrs, software and electronics are generally the biggest R&D cost.

cidered77

1,130 posts

166 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
annodomini2 said:
cidered77 said:
It's such a different way of doing things, and must mean their R&D on the metal stuff as a proportion of that spent on software and battery /motor tech is tiny.....
Same for other automakers for the last 30yrs, software and electronics are generally the biggest R&D cost.
ah come on - you know what i mean. A model S looks the same as it did 9 years ago; the Model 3 i have little doubt will do the same.

How much do BMW spend on ever more complex matrix headlights, and more horrible grills... and all the associated testing, and re-tooling etc etc. My point is Tesla shun all that - the car's just don't change their fundamental design, or have go through facelift cycles of any materiality. Which is a very different way of doing things, and interesting (to me at least..)

andy43

7,451 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
J4CKO said:
A model S from ten years ago does look very similar to a brand new one now, has to be said but it seems simpler to integrate design changes with EV's than ICE cars. New battery tech, it goes where the old ones went, new motor tech, same deal, just doesnt seem to need the whole car designed and packaged from scratch round the powertrain once its been done.

Watched the "Goonzquad" Youtubers pull the rear motor from a Model X that had been crashed, looked a lot easier than pulling a combustion engine, two wires, a few bolts, couple of coolant pipes and three electrical connectors. No driveshafts to uncouple, no exhaust, less wiring and it just drops down as one subframe with all the parts in it, ok it has two but thats a monster SUV, normal hatchback EV's should be even simpler.

I have helped my mate who buys and sells mobility scooters doing some repairs in the past when he was stuck and it looks for all the world like a scaled up Shoprider Rascal biggrin
It does look that simple. I've seen under the froot/frunk and apart from the cooling system/aircon and the brake servo etc it's literally two driveshafts sticking out of a washing machine motor. Biiig driveshafts smile

S body has stayed more or less the same but the suspension has changed a few times, plus they update computers'n'stuff regularly. Most seems to be backward compatible too if you can afford it - so a 2014/2015 car can be updated quite a bit.

Re the updates the original owner of mine paid for the Full Self Drive upgrade. The factory fitted 2018 computer for that was an HW2 or HW2.5 I think - last year I was offered a free upgrade to the HW3 or whatever the latest version is - a much faster thinker. Car goes into Tesla, computer removed and a new one fitted, coding etc done and given the car back with instructions to let it self learn a bit before switching autopilot back on. Free!

JD

2,209 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...

Northernboy

11,986 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
Alfa Giulia does it in 8.1, BMW M5 in 6.6, Audi S8 in 7.8.

It's definitely very fast, but there are a few other salon cars at the moment that are similar.

annodomini2

6,389 posts

220 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Northernboy said:
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
Alfa Giulia does it in 8.1, BMW M5 in 6.6, Audi S8 in 7.8.

It's definitely very fast, but there are a few other salon cars at the moment that are similar.
Model S Plaid does 0-100 in 4.30 seconds.

8.2 is 0-100-0.

768

9,370 posts

65 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Northernboy said:
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
Alfa Giulia does it in 8.1, BMW M5 in 6.6, Audi S8 in 7.8.

It's definitely very fast, but there are a few other salon cars at the moment that are similar.
Except the Tesla is back at a standstill.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

27,818 posts

181 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Northernboy said:
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
Alfa Giulia does it in 8.1, BMW M5 in 6.6, Audi S8 in 7.8.

It's definitely very fast, but there are a few other salon cars at the moment that are similar.
I think you missed a fairly key point smile

Fastlane

743 posts

186 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
They seem to like it and 0-60 in 2.07 seconds (without 1 foot rollout) is bonkers!

I am just awaiting the inevitable "INSANE Tesla Model S Plaid vs Porsche Taycan Turbo S" YouTube videos from our enthusiastic friends across the pond....

JD

2,209 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Northernboy said:
JD said:
0 - 100 - 0 in 8.2 seconds.

I think I would consider a car that did 0-100 in 8.2 seconds to be staggeringly fast.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2021...
Alfa Giulia does it in 8.1, BMW M5 in 6.6, Audi S8 in 7.8.

It's definitely very fast, but there are a few other salon cars at the moment that are similar.
I'd like to see your face when the penny drops!

80s-new-man

14 posts

19 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
What a shame

Johner

102 posts

52 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
Augustus Windsock said:
I applaud performance in general, I really do, but I have to ask what that 0-60 time would be like for people who aren’t used to F1 / BTCC / drag cars? As in, will they be able to control the car competently when they deploy the full force of the car?
Simple answer; No.

I couldn't, my reaction times are just not good enough.
I don't ever expect to be trying it, so can, with all candour claim that if I DID try it, I would probably crap myself, just before I lost control and drove it into something immovable.

Almost anyone who claims; Yeh, I could do it, no problem (or words to that effect) is either deluded, a liar, or having a laugh.
Until proven otherwise, I'll assume the PHers who reckon they could, fall into the final group.

Northernboy

11,986 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
annodomini2 said:
Model S Plaid does 0-100 in 4.30 seconds.

8.2 is 0-100-0.
Well then yes, that’s very fast indeed.

There’s the normal caveat with Tesla of course that it will only do that when the batteries are fully charged and you’ve spent the 20 minutes or so conditioning them ready for a run.

The 100-0 is surprising.

otolith

45,658 posts

173 months

Thursday 17th June
quotequote all
jagfan2 said:
He also names his SpaceX landing droneships after famous AI spaceships ones from my favourite Sci-Fi author Iain M. Banks (lost too soon). While his ideology goes a long way from Banks's its still cool, and his latest ship is the 'A Shortfall of Gravitas' which is the perhaps best ship name ( the ships AI's pick their own names - its a thing)
Where’s my knife missile, Musk?

Wiltshire Lad

272 posts

38 months

Friday 18th June
quotequote all
Impressive straight line performance - for £118K shame the interior quality is surpassed by Kia, never mind BMW or Mercedes. Amazing performance doesn't make it fun to drive. I was disappointed by my first drive in a Tesla. Owners are always banging on about 0 - 60 times - as if they know subconsciously that there is nothing else remotely interesting about the car (I mean just look at it). The car has zero character imo - they may as well be talking about the spin cycle of a tumble dryer - I don't care...

And I'm not anti EV - My father has a (very impressive) BMW i3 and my daily is a 530e. They are the future - but I'll hang onto my V8 for a real fun drive at the weekend...