RE: Honda Civic Type R Sport Line vs. Toyota GR Yaris
Discussion
Trophy Husband said:
Only a fat friends difference in weight surprises me.
The Yaris is fab but should be 100kgs lighter. IMHO.
I'd love to be behind a GR in my 172 cup (1010kgs) and see the real world difference that 18 years has achieved.
I surmise it is mostly software based trickery?
I had a 182 Trophy and own a GR now - they are a different universe of speed ,to be honest. To the point the Yaris at times feels in that "too fast for the road" territory (if you aim to push the car to the edge of its grip, like all the motoring journalists apparently do All The Time!). The Yaris is fab but should be 100kgs lighter. IMHO.
I'd love to be behind a GR in my 172 cup (1010kgs) and see the real world difference that 18 years has achieved.
I surmise it is mostly software based trickery?
TC rarely comes on, even if the mechanical diffs likely shifting torque about a lot on a quick drive. It's just a much more modern, more capable car - low CoG, good tyres, two diffs, tons of power and torque - completely different animals. I'd love to say "ah but the Trophy was more fun more of the time", etc - but, i'd be fibbing really! loved both - but find myself more often taking the unnecessarily long way back more of the time in the Toyota.
I had a GR (Circuit pack) for the weekend a few weeks back, i took one mate out in it for 5 minutes and showed some other mates it. We all put orders in that week, you need to drive one to understand them, awesome little things. I had it over the North Pennines in lots of different conditions, joyous thing to drive, they are so massively capable but at the same time not in the bracket of 'too easy to drive fast', i felt like i had to learn how it worked best and then get better at doing it and found it really rewarding. They arent simply point and shoot as some may imagine.
Given the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
I do like the CTR without the spoiler though, it could do with a few other bits and bobs making more subtle and it would be a great daily hot hatch for someone who doesnt want to stick out like a sore thumb.
Given the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
I do like the CTR without the spoiler though, it could do with a few other bits and bobs making more subtle and it would be a great daily hot hatch for someone who doesnt want to stick out like a sore thumb.
t, it's the Civic bit. It's a dreadful looking slug of a thing, and is far worse without the spoiler. I can remember experiencing the gulf in handling, performance and just overall feel between my EP3 and a friends Evo VI back in the mid 2000s. I recently drove a GR Yaris and expected a similar gulf after seeing everyone wetting their pants over it on here.
I didn't think it was that different to many of the other recent hot hatches. I figured I just wasn't a good enough driver to get it but this article seems to confirm it's not that far off the outgoing type R. Which admittedly is a very good car.
I didn't think it was that different to many of the other recent hot hatches. I figured I just wasn't a good enough driver to get it but this article seems to confirm it's not that far off the outgoing type R. Which admittedly is a very good car.
Ron240 said:
I see the Yaris as a modern day Delta Integrale. Boxy, functional and square stange, with the square edges rounded a little.
One thing that struck me when I parked my Yaris infront on my wifes Skoda Superb, is how high the bonnet is on the Yaris, its a good 6in higher.
Yaris also for me manages to be simultaneously small, but also - not very small.
Wheelbase as Harry's video mentions is the same as a 911 - and not particularly short at all. Rear seats i was expecting a 2+2 style, but really -they're perfectly fine for kids and adults also, albeit crap visibility. Is the only car i've ever owned also where my lanky legs dont need seat all the way back: i can hardly touch pedals with seat all the way back , in fact.
I sort of look after a mate's R107 SL500, which of course whilst an old car, you wouldn't necessarily think "small car": difference in this short startling!
Given it's AWD, and definitely not tiny (put it alongside a 182 Clio and it'd be huge i am sure), then 1280kg on the scales (accurate/slightly pessimistic too from what i have seen of corner weights) is impressive....
Wheelbase as Harry's video mentions is the same as a 911 - and not particularly short at all. Rear seats i was expecting a 2+2 style, but really -they're perfectly fine for kids and adults also, albeit crap visibility. Is the only car i've ever owned also where my lanky legs dont need seat all the way back: i can hardly touch pedals with seat all the way back , in fact.
I sort of look after a mate's R107 SL500, which of course whilst an old car, you wouldn't necessarily think "small car": difference in this short startling!
Given it's AWD, and definitely not tiny (put it alongside a 182 Clio and it'd be huge i am sure), then 1280kg on the scales (accurate/slightly pessimistic too from what i have seen of corner weights) is impressive....
Why is it so big? It doesn't have a huge engine or interior space that reflects it's dimensions.
A lot of these small hatchbacks now look more like mini MPVs with very short bonnets, huge sloping windscreens and an overall "dumpy" appearance. The EP3 type R was probably one of the first to take this appearance but oddly enough the latest type R moves away from this.
A lot of these small hatchbacks now look more like mini MPVs with very short bonnets, huge sloping windscreens and an overall "dumpy" appearance. The EP3 type R was probably one of the first to take this appearance but oddly enough the latest type R moves away from this.
nunpuncher said:
Why is it so big? It doesn't have a huge engine or interior space that reflects it's dimensions.
A lot of these small hatchbacks now look more like mini MPVs with very short bonnets, huge sloping windscreens and an overall "dumpy" appearance. The EP3 type R was probably one of the first to take this appearance but oddly enough the latest type R moves away from this.
There's a lot going on underneath that can't really get more compact.A lot of these small hatchbacks now look more like mini MPVs with very short bonnets, huge sloping windscreens and an overall "dumpy" appearance. The EP3 type R was probably one of the first to take this appearance but oddly enough the latest type R moves away from this.
PH User said:
nunpuncher said:
Why is it so big? It doesn't have a huge engine or interior space that reflects it's dimensions.
Crumple zones. Looks well packaged to me. PH, thank you for the review of the Sport Line CTR. I have been waiting for this, don't understand why it has taken the car media so long to get round to it (I see Auto Express published their review a couple of weeks ago) - presumably Honda UK have not had any available for the press team.
It's great to read about both these cars and so great that Honda and Toyota are keen to build them. Personally I would take the CTR because the extra space would give me more opportunities to use it (family man etc.).
It's great to read about both these cars and so great that Honda and Toyota are keen to build them. Personally I would take the CTR because the extra space would give me more opportunities to use it (family man etc.).
nunpuncher said:
Why is it so big? It doesn't have a huge engine or interior space that reflects it's dimensions.
"Boot capacity for the GR Yaris is down to 174 litres, compared to the standard model’s 286 litres. This is mainly due to the battery being stored in the rear and packaging of the bespoke suspension and four-wheel-drive set-up" ......(Autoexpress).Do wish they were able to find a way to make it a bit more practical for a small family as it definitely would have appealed more. I do like the GR Yaris a lot and would choose it over the Type R but the practicality for me is an issue.
I think it's best suited as a second car or for those without kids.
I picked up my Type R Sportline in Feb this year and it is one of the best drivers car I have ever owned. It is difficult to explain as you just have to experience the driving sensations/feelings you get - probably much the same with the GR Yaris. Would have loved the GR also but with 2 young kids the Type R is a much better daily.
On a track it will keep most things honest. On a recent outing at Bedford autodrome this thing flew past most of the traffic - only thing I couldn’t take was a well driven caterham.
Some photos of the type r and a Yaris at a good wood circuit day.
On a track it will keep most things honest. On a recent outing at Bedford autodrome this thing flew past most of the traffic - only thing I couldn’t take was a well driven caterham.
Some photos of the type r and a Yaris at a good wood circuit day.
Koolkat969 said:
nunpuncher said:
Why is it so big? It doesn't have a huge engine or interior space that reflects it's dimensions.
"Boot capacity for the GR Yaris is down to 174 litres, compared to the standard model’s 286 litres. This is mainly due to the battery being stored in the rear and packaging of the bespoke suspension and four-wheel-drive set-up" ......(Autoexpress).Do wish they were able to find a way to make it a bit more practical for a small family as it definitely would have appealed more. I do like the GR Yaris a lot and would choose it over the Type R but the practicality for me is an issue.
I think it's best suited as a second car or for those without kids.
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
cidered77 said:
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Yes...a standard Toyota Yaris has never been regarded as a family car...and the GR absolutely not!Edited by Ron240 on Monday 14th June 15:53
Ron240 said:
cidered77 said:
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Yes...a standard Toyota Yaris has never been regarded as a family car...and the GR absolutely not!Edited by Ron240 on Monday 14th June 15:53
cidered77 said:
would definitely agree with that - hot hatches usually popular because it can be a single car to do it all....
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
I got 350 miles from 43 litres it has a 7 litre reserve. If you wanna do long journeys you will see 36mpg + if it’s a weekend only car you’ll use that fuel up quickly. If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
For a couple or a young family it’s about manageable, boot is comically small, but I find myself never really using a boot fully, it would be travelling abroad I’d need boot space for, as there is only 2 of us I turn the car into a 2 seater boot when needed. If I had to haul a pram and have a kid in rear I can definitely see the issue.
The ride is the best Hot Hatch I’ve been in, so in that respects it’s nicer for passengers.
It’s weird I know hot hatches are supposed to do everything but I rarely see a hot hatch being the sole car for that household normally it’s supported by some form of more practical car or a shed. Just what I’ve noticed, I’m sure for some people it is the only car. But I dare to say outside maybe London 80% who live with a partner / have family with a hot hatch have another car
Edited by mintmansam on Monday 14th June 16:39
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