RE: Honda Civic Type R Sport Line vs. Toyota GR Yaris
Discussion
HazzaT said:
scottos said:
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Given the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
Not too sure about that, the Type R is fGiven the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
king quick. Auto Express did a track test in the wet with the two and the Type R pulled aheadObviously a totally different argument if you are trying to set lap times on track.
Simon Owen said:
I don't really understand this "wouldn't see which way it went" statement for modern performance cars these days, or why it really matters anyway ? I really enjoy safe 'fast road' touring in mixed groups of cars and assuming you are in a group that understands how to drive safely on the road and respects the associated objective dangers then we virtually always settle down to a very similar pace. Of course there are the subtle differences of each genre but everything is so bloody fast these days it doesn't really seem to make much difference in the real world... it's so easy to hit speeds that are totally inappropriate for the road in all modern performance cars. I would more be looking for which is more fun and more of an event, not which is quicker. I actually found it quite fun being the 'underdog' in our 86 when in convoy with much more exotic machinery, its quite satisfying working the car hard and trying to drive well with less power and grip.
Obviously a totally different argument if you are trying to set lap times on track.
I think perhaps they were trying to highlight the all weather capability of the car, in the wet having the 4wd really helps launching and with the power on corner exit. And its very accessible so you’ll probably use 100% of the power. For some people myself included the AWD seems balance out the understeer on throttle and liftoff oversteer on no throttle. So it gives big handfuls of confidence. Obviously a totally different argument if you are trying to set lap times on track.
mintmansam said:
cidered77 said:
would definitely agree with that - hot hatches usually popular because it can be a single car to do it all....
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
I got 350 miles from 43 litres it has a 7 litre reserve. If you wanna do long journeys you will see 36mpg + if it’s a weekend only car you’ll use that fuel up quickly. If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
For a couple or a young family it’s about manageable, boot is comically small, but I find myself never really using a boot fully, it would be travelling abroad I’d need boot space for, as there is only 2 of us I turn the car into a 2 seater boot when needed. If I had to haul a pram and have a kid in rear I can definitely see the issue.
The ride is the best Hot Hatch I’ve been in, so in that respects it’s nicer for passengers.
It’s weird I know hot hatches are supposed to do everything but I rarely see a hot hatch being the sole car for that household normally it’s supported by some form of more practical car or a shed. Just what I’ve noticed, I’m sure for some people it is the only car. But I dare to say outside maybe London 80% who live with a partner / have family with a hot hatch have another car
Edited by mintmansam on Monday 14th June 16:39
I guess it depends on your own circumstances, but the comparison here whilst fair as a road test (and never driven the Honda, but can't deny it's near total domination of every hot hatch test ever for years now); for some people it's a valid choice, if you need a proper daily and can live with the weird styling - even in this form - looks only one winner...
cidered77 said:
mintmansam said:
cidered77 said:
would definitely agree with that - hot hatches usually popular because it can be a single car to do it all....
If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
I got 350 miles from 43 litres it has a 7 litre reserve. If you wanna do long journeys you will see 36mpg + if it’s a weekend only car you’ll use that fuel up quickly. If anyone with a family - even just one kid - is using a GR as their only daily, then A: they're a hero, and B: they're always making compromises.
Space inside is surprisingly good considering "it's a Yaris", etc. Space in the boot is comically small. Not especially easy to get access to the back either. And 200 miles on a tank is just annoying.
One of these cars is a potential daily for a family, one definitely isn't... but think of a Yaris as a fun car, then relative to other fun car candidates, it's very practical!
For a couple or a young family it’s about manageable, boot is comically small, but I find myself never really using a boot fully, it would be travelling abroad I’d need boot space for, as there is only 2 of us I turn the car into a 2 seater boot when needed. If I had to haul a pram and have a kid in rear I can definitely see the issue.
The ride is the best Hot Hatch I’ve been in, so in that respects it’s nicer for passengers.
It’s weird I know hot hatches are supposed to do everything but I rarely see a hot hatch being the sole car for that household normally it’s supported by some form of more practical car or a shed. Just what I’ve noticed, I’m sure for some people it is the only car. But I dare to say outside maybe London 80% who live with a partner / have family with a hot hatch have another car
Edited by mintmansam on Monday 14th June 16:39
I guess it depends on your own circumstances, but the comparison here whilst fair as a road test (and never driven the Honda, but can't deny it's near total domination of every hot hatch test ever for years now); for some people it's a valid choice, if you need a proper daily and can live with the weird styling - even in this form - looks only one winner...
The civic is great, but I think without the wing it’s not a true Type R, Civic Type R isn’t supposed to sensible. The civic is much more practical, but for me I’ve grown up even from a child of having small 3 door cars. I understand massively the benefit of 5 doors for a family though
Leon R said:
If it makes you feel any better up until last Wednesday I genuinely believed that the car wasn't capable of achieving more than 30 as my combined for the first 800 miles was 21.2 mpg.
My last car I couldn’t get from Ashford to Nurburgring without stopping for fuel, the tank on this is only 5 litres larger but seems to be returning on longer journeys a very good mpg so should have no issues getting there in 1 tank (I hope). Obviously the civic would be far better at taking 4 up with luggage on trips but there’s only the 2 of us so plenty of space to fill up the car with excess amounts of haribo!
HazzaT said:
scottos said:
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Given the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
Not too sure about that, the Type R is fGiven the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
king quick. Auto Express did a track test in the wet with the two and the Type R pulled aheadpeteob said:
HazzaT said:
scottos said:
.
Given the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
Not too sure about that, the Type R is fGiven the weather conditions in the UK typically, the CTR wouldnt see which way the GR went on anything other than a dry road.
king quick. Auto Express did a track test in the wet with the two and the Type R pulled ahead
Aust5 said:
The Yaris looks plain and Toyota lazy about the way it looks. I’m sure nice to drive but civic gets my vote as looks awesome. But unfortunately will not be buying either as just drove and bought puma ST performance pack mean green. An awesome car and a lot cheaper.
My missus has just got a Puma ST.Good car, loads of fun down a country lane, and practical enough for her needs.. (electric tailgate, big boot etc etc)
But I fear you might get blasted on here for comparing it to a GR Yaris.
Having owned a GR I can tell you the GR drives so much better, it's in a different league to the Puma.
Aust5 said:
The Yaris looks plain and Toyota lazy about the way it looks. I’m sure nice to drive but civic gets my vote as looks awesome. But unfortunately will not be buying either as just drove and bought puma ST performance pack mean green. An awesome car and a lot cheaper.
You say "unfortunately", so this must mean the Puma was third best. 
Aust5 said:
The Yaris looks plain and Toyota lazy about the way it looks. I’m sure nice to drive but civic gets my vote as looks awesome. But unfortunately will not be buying either as just drove and bought puma ST performance pack mean green. An awesome car and a lot cheaper.
Thanks for the laugh on a Wednesday morning.
ArnageWRC said:
They're comparing two completely different cars; one is a FWD 'hot hatch', the other is a 4WD WRC 'Replica'/Homologation-lite special.....
As a rallyfan, it's the Yaris all day.
Not really. As an owner of a Yaris I looked at the civic and i30n and A35 AMG as they were all at a similar price point and similar on performance. As a rallyfan, it's the Yaris all day.
ecsrobin said:
ArnageWRC said:
They're comparing two completely different cars; one is a FWD 'hot hatch', the other is a 4WD WRC 'Replica'/Homologation-lite special.....
As a rallyfan, it's the Yaris all day.
Not really. As an owner of a Yaris I looked at the civic and i30n and A35 AMG as they were all at a similar price point and similar on performance. As a rallyfan, it's the Yaris all day.
I had been looking for something to replace my aging Cupra R for a while and just couldn't find anything I wanted but as soon as Toyota announced the GR I knew that was it.
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