RE: Toyota GT86 TRD | Spotted

[jbforce10]

romac said:

TRD?
And there was me thinking the D stood for Diesel !!
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And in other car name news... I've never really forgiven the person who thought my brand new Saab 900SE was a "goose"

Edited by romac on Tuesday 15th June 15:41

Speaking of Saabs, my TurboX had the nickname TurdboX (even though it was a great car).

[MC Bodge]

Howard- said:

Again, I know that the fun is to be had in the corners, but owning something like that whilst knowing that you can get out-accelerated on dual carriageways and motorway slip roads by most diesel hatchbacks would always play on my mind.

You could just accept that to be the case, and enjoy driving it.

A dual motor Tesla would out accelerate most things in the same scenario.

[TameRacingDriver]

MC Bodge said:

Howard- said:

Again, I know that the fun is to be had in the corners, but owning something like that whilst knowing that you can get out-accelerated on dual carriageways and motorway slip roads by most diesel hatchbacks would always play on my mind.

You could just accept that to be the case, and enjoy driving it.

A dual motor Tesla would out accelerate most things in the same scenario.

And the thing is, it's not even true anyway. Performance is about the same as an FN2 Type R. I had one. Certainly not a fast car, but definitely not being outdragged by most diesel hatchbacks by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't know if its an age thing, but I'm getting less bothered about out and out pace. It's more than enough to obliterate the speed limit as it is. My Mini is about 200 bhp and less weight and more torque than this GT86, and could almost argue for it being a little slower than it is now in all honesty to really enjoy those bends, not that I will of course.

The GT86 is growing on me. It sort of reminds me of my old DC2, only RWD, but with a less characterful engine. I loved that car, and reckon this might be up my street especially with a few mods. I've been watching videos on YouTube and even standard ones don't seem to sound too bad to me, considering how much they're slated on here.

I could buy one and call it TRD's TRD

[cerb4.5lee]

TameRacingDriver said:

I could buy one and call it TRD's TRD

[Glyn535d]

LBW2020 said:

if this car had 300hp and 300 lbs or torque it would be awesome, maybe Toyota will take a look at the yaris then look at this and think hmmm maybe we JUST PUT SOME MORE F#$%ING POWER in it...and where done !

What you're after is a Cosworth GT86, even rarer and supercharged to nigh on 300hp.

[Glyn535d]

Glyn535d said:

What you're after is a Cosworth GT86, even rarer and supercharged to nigh on 300hp.

Here's one: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10960421

[cerb4.5lee]

Glyn535d said:

Glyn535d said:

What you're after is a Cosworth GT86, even rarer and supercharged to nigh on 300hp.

Here's one: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10960421

300bhp/250torque/Michelin PS4S/AP Racing brakes/0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds...count me in for sure!

[Johnnytheboy]

TEKNOPUG said:

Don't stickier tyres defeat the whole point of the car?

This is what bothers me: quite apart from the whole mouth/trousers ratio, giving it more grip surely just reduces its USP and simultaneously draw attention its lack of go.

[clacs2]

I really fail to see the attraction.

Firstly, I do struggle with the idea of a special edition that essentially consists of a dodgy bodykit and a different tyre choice.

Secondly, my god is that front bumper awful. I mean, wow. Not since 90s Supras prowled the streets of south Essex have I seen something less cohesive attached to a car.

Just get a bog standard car and buy some really nice tyres for it.

[Johnnytheboy]

And a turbo.

[Distraxi]

TameRacingDriver said:

... but with a less characterful engine.....

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That's the main weak point of these, IMO (and speaking as someone who's owned one for 6 years) - the character, not the absolute numbers. If revving it out was a thing to do just for the pleasure of it, like an Alfa flat 4 or V6 or a VTEC Honda, people would be a lot more forgiving of the fact that getting to redline takes a while. An exhaust helps, but it just moves the engine's character from uninspiring to adequate. For me, the fact that it's a joy to go round corners in and is a smidge more practical than an MX5 is enough to forgive the engine, but I can quite understand why for others it isn't. Plus they were a heck of a lot cheaper here in NZ than they were in the UK, which covers a lot of sins - what the heck were Toyota GB thinking with their pricing?

[British Beef]

Distraxi said:

TameRacingDriver said:

... but with a less characterful engine.....

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That's the main weak point of these, IMO (and speaking as someone who's owned one for 6 years) - the character, not the absolute numbers. If revving it out was a thing to do just for the pleasure of it, like an Alfa flat 4 or V6 or a VTEC Honda, people would be a lot more forgiving of the fact that getting to redline takes a while. An exhaust helps, but it just moves the engine's character from uninspiring to adequate. For me, the fact that it's a joy to go round corners in and is a smidge more practical than an MX5 is enough to forgive the engine, but I can quite understand why for others it isn't. Plus they were a heck of a lot cheaper here in NZ than they were in the UK, which covers a lot of sins - what the heck were Toyota GB thinking with their pricing?

Mazda & mitsubishi used to make a little 1.8lt V6, something like that in one of these would have been perfect.

In real world, Toyota should take the 1.6 3 cylinder from Yaris GR and drop it into new GT 86, very effective engine.

[spikyone]

Johnnytheboy said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Don't stickier tyres defeat the whole point of the car?

This is what bothers me: quite apart from the whole mouth/trousers ratio, giving it more grip surely just reduces its USP and simultaneously draw attention its lack of go.

The tyre thing is overstated, IMO. Those "Prius tyres" were just rubbish for a sports car, plain and simple. They did not add anything to the car for me, and were frankly awful for at least 6 months of the year - any time the temperature got down to about 5 degrees or it rained. They have a horrible cliff-edge of grip. Switching to PS4 makes the car more predictable and they're night and day better in cold and/or wet conditions. The USP is the quality of the chassis, not the rubbish tyres.

[TameRacingDriver]

A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.

Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.

[CedricN]

Mine have quality Goodyear tyres on it, though still 215 wide. Its sharp to drive and still tail happy out of roundabouts which is so much fun. I cant imagine having the car with this fairly agressive standard setup on crap tyres, it must be hilariously tail happy

[Om]

TameRacingDriver said:

A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.

Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.

So, navigating a roundabout slowly in the wet they had switched the traction control off and the grip gave up without warning?

They are relatively low grip tyres but they do telegraph pretty effectively what is going on and the GT86 is one of the more communicative cars on the market.. I suspect their talent/brain had given up far before the grip.

[cerb4.5lee]

I had a similar tyre on my F56 Cooper S(Michelin Primacy 3) and they were absolutely garbage. I swapped to Michelin PS4 and they transformed the car for me.

[jinba-ittai]

Om said:

TameRacingDriver said:

A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.

Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.

So, navigating a roundabout slowly in the wet they had switched the traction control off and the grip gave up without warning?

They are relatively low grip tyres but they do telegraph pretty effectively what is going on and the GT86 is one of the more communicative cars on the market.. I suspect their talent/brain had given up far before the grip.

Exactly, I had an 86 and yes, it would let go quickly in the cold/wet but the stability control would gather things up quickly

I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies

[CABC]

jinba-ittai said:

Om said:

TameRacingDriver said:

A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.

Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.

So, navigating a roundabout slowly in the wet they had switched the traction control off and the grip gave up without warning?

They are relatively low grip tyres but they do telegraph pretty effectively what is going on and the GT86 is one of the more communicative cars on the market.. I suspect their talent/brain had given up far before the grip.

Exactly, I had an 86 and yes, it would let go quickly in the cold/wet but the stability control would gather things up quickly

I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies

just shows what a mere 200hp can do when sent to the rear wheels without nannies.

[BFleming]

Frog02 said:

Several decades ago, Citroën faced the same situation as many of their diesel models (AX, BX, CX etc) were badged TRD on the continent. When imported to the UK, they changed the nomenclature subtly to DTR and thus avoided the sniggers.

Wasn't it the MR2 that the French used to chuckle at? They had to call it the Coupe MR instead.