RE: Toyota GT86 TRD | Spotted
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Been thinking of purchasing one of these next year and bolting a single turbo kit on one, quite surprised how easily they make good reliable power with 6-8 pound of boost. The only thing that is keeping me away from one is the used prices in Australia are quite steep especially one with 3 pedals.
Either way I’m quite the fan of the car and think they quite the looker in a world of boring SUV’s.
Either way I’m quite the fan of the car and think they quite the looker in a world of boring SUV’s.
jinba-ittai said:
Exactly, I had an 86 and yes, it would let go quickly in the cold/wet but the stability control would gather things up quickly
I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
Interesting. I've still got the stock tyres on mine and was thinking of going for Michelin Pilots when they need replacing, but I enjoy the silly low speed oversteer. I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
The very first day of driving mine I exited a roundabout a little too spirited for damp conditions and felt the rear slipping/yawing slightly. It was unexpected and definitely got my attention but didn't require any correction.
Om said:
TameRacingDriver said:
A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.
Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.
So, navigating a roundabout slowly in the wet they had switched the traction control off and the grip gave up without warning? Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.
They are relatively low grip tyres but they do telegraph pretty effectively what is going on and the GT86 is one of the more communicative cars on the market.. I suspect their talent/brain had given up far before the grip.
JmatthewB said:
jinba-ittai said:
Exactly, I had an 86 and yes, it would let go quickly in the cold/wet but the stability control would gather things up quickly
I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
Interesting. I've still got the stock tyres on mine and was thinking of going for Michelin Pilots when they need replacing, but I enjoy the silly low speed oversteer. I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
The very first day of driving mine I exited a roundabout a little too spirited for damp conditions and felt the rear slipping/yawing slightly. It was unexpected and definitely got my attention but didn't require any correction.
jinba-ittai said:
JmatthewB said:
jinba-ittai said:
Exactly, I had an 86 and yes, it would let go quickly in the cold/wet but the stability control would gather things up quickly
I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
Interesting. I've still got the stock tyres on mine and was thinking of going for Michelin Pilots when they need replacing, but I enjoy the silly low speed oversteer. I put better tyres on the car when I changed the wheels, made it much better when driving hard, but took away the silly low speed oversteer moments you got all the time in the Primacies
The very first day of driving mine I exited a roundabout a little too spirited for damp conditions and felt the rear slipping/yawing slightly. It was unexpected and definitely got my attention but didn't require any correction.
Om said:
TameRacingDriver said:
A friend of a friend lost control of his Gt86 when it was on the Prius tyres, navigating a roundabout fairly slowly in the wet he ended up spinning it and whacking a wheel off the kerb. Said the grip just gave up without any warning.
Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.
So, navigating a roundabout slowly in the wet they had switched the traction control off and the grip gave up without warning? Personally as I'm not Ken Block changing the tyres would be the first thing I would do to my car if I had one.
They are relatively low grip tyres but they do telegraph pretty effectively what is going on and the GT86 is one of the more communicative cars on the market.. I suspect their talent/brain had given up far before the grip.
However they are not the first person I seen to reference the incredibly poor wet grip. Each to their own I guess. But given that elsewhere on the thread someone found the primacys more expensive than the pilot sports I think I'd still be inclined to change.
That said, I won't be changing since it appears values of these have now shot up to 10-12k despite being 8-10k just a few short months ago (seriously what is going on with prices of sporty cars right now. Are we all going to be priced out of this hobby soon? I hope the bubble bursts).
I've always thought that Toyota put low grip tyres on the GT86 because you'd almost need a miracle to get the rears to spin up with only 151 ib/ft torque! 
I'm not sure what I'd do tyre wise if I had one to be fair, I think I'd like the low grip fun at low speeds on the crap OEM tyres, but I'd also appreciate a bit more grip at higher speeds from some Michelin PS4s though.
I'm not sure what I'd do tyre wise if I had one to be fair, I think I'd like the low grip fun at low speeds on the crap OEM tyres, but I'd also appreciate a bit more grip at higher speeds from some Michelin PS4s though.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've always thought that Toyota put low grip tyres on the GT86 because you'd almost need a miracle to get the rears to spin up with only 151 ib/ft torque!
I'm not sure what I'd do tyre wise if I had one to be fair, I think I'd like the low grip fun at low speeds on the crap OEM tyres, but I'd also appreciate a bit more grip at higher speeds from some Michelin PS4s though.
I used to get the rears to spin up in a basic S2 Elise K-series with only 124 lb-ft, for what it's worth, on its much stickier special-compound tyres. Not in a straight line in the dry mind you, but easy enough if you played around with the weight transfer a bit. I took a GT-86 for a test drive and found it almost ridiculously easy to slither around. I doubt slightly stickier tyres will have such a huge effect as all that.I'm not sure what I'd do tyre wise if I had one to be fair, I think I'd like the low grip fun at low speeds on the crap OEM tyres, but I'd also appreciate a bit more grip at higher speeds from some Michelin PS4s though.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've always thought that Toyota put low grip tyres on the GT86 because you'd almost need a miracle to get the rears to spin up with only 151 ib/ft torque!
I have to admit I'm enjoying low speeds (yeah, yeah no choice, I know 
) a lot more in the last week, empty roundabouts on my morning commute have put a childish grin on my face every time. I really want the boxer growl though, I'm strongly considering taking a week off work and travel to the UK for a few days and have the car booked in with Tuning Developments for their NA package. You know what, I was out in my Mini today, and was thinking, the most fun, involving drives I've ever had were always in low powered N/A cars, and I must admit I do miss that a bit. In fact I was driving mine today as though it was a thrashy N/A motor and it was fun, but its always more fun in a proper N/A engine set up for that type of driving. I honestly think I would love one of these or an Elise, and if I went with the Elise, I honestly think I'd strongly consider purposefully going for the least powerful variant, as I feel you could really drive it properly and not be going ridiculously fast.
The only thing stopping me really from considering a GT86 is the fact they seem to have jumped up £2k in value in the last few months, pushing it out of my personal value zone; I could probably swallow this in an Elise as I know it'll be largely depreciation proof, but £12k+ for a 10 year old Toyota is pushing it a bit IMO, especially when I'd likely spend £2k-£3k on a tuning package to make the engine properly nice.
The only thing stopping me really from considering a GT86 is the fact they seem to have jumped up £2k in value in the last few months, pushing it out of my personal value zone; I could probably swallow this in an Elise as I know it'll be largely depreciation proof, but £12k+ for a 10 year old Toyota is pushing it a bit IMO, especially when I'd likely spend £2k-£3k on a tuning package to make the engine properly nice.
TameRacingDriver said:
You know what, I was out in my Mini today, and was thinking, the most fun, involving drives I've ever had were always in low powered N/A cars, and I must admit I do miss that a bit. In fact I was driving mine today as though it was a thrashy N/A motor and it was fun, but its always more fun in a proper N/A engine set up for that type of driving. I honestly think I would love one of these or an Elise, and if I went with the Elise, I honestly think I'd strongly consider purposefully going for the least powerful variant, as I feel you could really drive it properly and not be going ridiculously fast.
I think if you don’t really need the back seats for adults that often you’d enjoy it, especially with a few tweaks. I found the steering a little ‘different ‘, maybe down to the tyres but perhaps because I’ve been spoilt by the cars I’ve had. They do handle nicely s m said:
I think if you don’t really need the back seats for adults that often you’d enjoy it, especially with a few tweaks. I found the steering a little ‘different ‘, maybe down to the tyres but perhaps because I’ve been spoilt by the cars I’ve had. They do handle nicely
I never ever carry passengers apart from the mrs, so I'm good there 
TameRacingDriver said:
s m said:
I think if you don’t really need the back seats for adults that often you’d enjoy it, especially with a few tweaks. I found the steering a little ‘different ‘, maybe down to the tyres but perhaps because I’ve been spoilt by the cars I’ve had. They do handle nicely
I never ever carry passengers apart from the mrs, so I'm good there I enjoyed the demo ( I eventually got a go with after some frustration ) although I’d have wanted to iron out the flat spot with the delivery.
It just wasn’t big enough for my back seat passengers for a long journey ( I wanted to do drives to South France/Italy and holidays etc and my other car was what you have now! )
It might just be my perfect car if it was anything like a DC2, but RWD. The only elephant in the room is making the engine as addictive as the one in the DC2.
I actually think an Elise might be my perfect car ultimately but the big question is, would it be worth paying over double for one of those over a GT86, especially in light of the fact you can actually use the GT86 for the boring stuff and road trips with the Mrs. Price of entry seems to be about £10k v's £17k for an Elise, with the latter presumably being more depreciation proof.
I actually think an Elise might be my perfect car ultimately but the big question is, would it be worth paying over double for one of those over a GT86, especially in light of the fact you can actually use the GT86 for the boring stuff and road trips with the Mrs. Price of entry seems to be about £10k v's £17k for an Elise, with the latter presumably being more depreciation proof.
TameRacingDriver said:
You know what, I was out in my Mini today, and was thinking, the most fun, involving drives I've ever had were always in low powered N/A cars, and I must admit I do miss that a bit. In fact I was driving mine today as though it was a thrashy N/A motor and it was fun, but its always more fun in a proper N/A engine set up for that type of driving. I honestly think I would love one of these or an Elise, and if I went with the Elise, I honestly think I'd strongly consider purposefully going for the least powerful variant, as I feel you could really drive it properly and not be going ridiculously fast.
The only thing stopping me really from considering a GT86 is the fact they seem to have jumped up £2k in value in the last few months, pushing it out of my personal value zone; I could probably swallow this in an Elise as I know it'll be largely depreciation proof, but £12k+ for a 10 year old Toyota is pushing it a bit IMO, especially when I'd likely spend £2k-£3k on a tuning package to make the engine properly nice.
on a thrash the 86 comes into its own and the engine is much sweeter above 4k. sweeter still with some breathing mods. pooling around its flaws are more noticeable and annoying. given limited supply in UK they may have a flatter depreciation curve even from here. The only thing stopping me really from considering a GT86 is the fact they seem to have jumped up £2k in value in the last few months, pushing it out of my personal value zone; I could probably swallow this in an Elise as I know it'll be largely depreciation proof, but £12k+ for a 10 year old Toyota is pushing it a bit IMO, especially when I'd likely spend £2k-£3k on a tuning package to make the engine properly nice.
the Elise is a much better solo car though if you don't have any practical needs, and the low powered versions are great as it's all about carrying speed.
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