RE: Clive Sutton unveils 859hp CS850GT

[FaustF]

AdeTuono said:

FaustF said:

As much as I love a stang what makes them such a joy is that you can turn them into monsters for relatively low cost.

Sutton keeps churning out modified stangs for waay more than the modifications are worth

You're better off buying a GT and ordering some performance parts from Roush. You get the same effect from a more renowned tuner/producer for less money.

I can't, for the life of me, work out how they stay in business with their ridiculous prices (£140,000 for an F150 pick-up; really?) I guess you only need one or two punters foolish enough.

Absolutely.

[untakenname]

I don't get the insane prices in the UK when across the pond people are getting four figure horsepower on E85 for around $10k

https://www.brenspeed.com/bren1200v18.html

[Rogue86]

untakenname said:

I don't get the insane prices in the UK when across the pond people are getting four figure horsepower on E85 for around $10k

https://www.brenspeed.com/bren1200v18.html

I suspect its not insanity on their part but more of a lack of understanding on what it takes to build a reliable high powered car on yours...

[untakenname]

Rogue86 said:

I suspect its not insanity on their part but more of a lack of understanding on what it takes to build a reliable high powered car on yours...

I did a lot of research a couple of years back when deciding whether to get a Vortech or Rotrex supercharger.

There's plenty of street driven 16> Mustangs on stock internals running 900whp in the USA and many of them still get serviced at Ford dealerships, the 18-20 model was built with tuning in mind as Ford addressed the limitations of the previous iterations each time.

I've been subscribed for the past five years to Alejandro Flores channel who is one of the most respected Mustang tuners, he's gone a bit mental recently with the EPA's harassment.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-WNpMJy7yYOzQTM...

[Rogue86]

untakenname said:

I did a lot of research a couple of years back when deciding whether to get a Vortech or Rotrex supercharger.

There's plenty of street driven 16> Mustangs on stock internals running 900whp in the USA and many of them still get serviced at Ford dealerships, the 18-20 model was built with tuning in mind as Ford addressed the limitations of the previous iterations each time.

I've been subscribed for the past five years to Alejandro Flores channel who is one of the most respected Mustang tuners, he's gone a bit mental recently with the EPA's harassment.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-WNpMJy7yYOzQTM...

Just to clarify, your experience on building 1000bhp+ Mustangs is "lots of research" and watching youtube? Point stands.

[mitch_]

AdeTuono said:

FaustF said:

As much as I love a stang what makes them such a joy is that you can turn them into monsters for relatively low cost.

Sutton keeps churning out modified stangs for waay more than the modifications are worth

You're better off buying a GT and ordering some performance parts from Roush. You get the same effect from a more renowned tuner/producer for less money.

I can't, for the life of me, work out how they stay in business with their ridiculous prices (£140,000 for an F150 pick-up; really?) I guess you only need one or two punters foolish enough.

Zero overhead, it’s that simple.

Don’t think I have ever seen the term ‘tuner’ used so either.

[NigelCayless]

The standard GT is enough for me. This must be crazy!

[Volvolover]

ducnick said:

They have cottoned onto the fact they can build these simply by taking a mustang gt from ford £45k ish. Adding a whipple and oil pump £9k, some Bmr braces and kw coil overs £2k a full exhaust with headers £2.5k, a custom tune £500, wheels and tyres £2.5k and a few assorted Chinese body kit parts £2.5k
+ 1 weeks labour at one of the many specialists (I believe Sutton use gt101 in Essex but I may be wrong) for the build and hey presto you turn a tidy profit without worrying about import duties.

Far cheaper to buy your own mustang and ask gt101 or modurstang to do the build for you….. unless you really are desperate for a £40 grand Clive Sutton badge on the dash and arse.

Are you going to develop and test the custom tune and coil over sprig rates and damper settings for free?

[jinba-ittai]

I don't really get the comparison to the GT500, sure this tuned car has the power but it's still so much the GT500 has that this doesn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7-xf12ycY

[Porscheandrangerover]

I’d get arrested within a day.

Truly wonderful.

[mylesmcd]

Rogue86 said:

untakenname said:

I did a lot of research a couple of years back when deciding whether to get a Vortech or Rotrex supercharger.

There's plenty of street driven 16> Mustangs on stock internals running 900whp in the USA and many of them still get serviced at Ford dealerships, the 18-20 model was built with tuning in mind as Ford addressed the limitations of the previous iterations each time.

I've been subscribed for the past five years to Alejandro Flores channel who is one of the most respected Mustang tuners, he's gone a bit mental recently with the EPA's harassment.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx-WNpMJy7yYOzQTM...

Just to clarify, your experience on building 1000bhp+ Mustangs is "lots of research" and watching youtube? Point stands.

Seems like a decent place to start in my book. You sound like a man that has a deposit already in with Sutton might I add!

[Rogue86]

mylesmcd said:

Seems like a decent place to start in my book. You sound like a man that has a deposit already in with Sutton might I add!

There is a difference between paying 10k for a supercharger that is rated to 1200bhp and building a 1200bhp car for 10k, you're aware of that? In this case that difference is an extra 0, which covers lots of things designed to actually get the engine to that power and keep it there without exploding all over the road in a shower of cogs and springs.

I don't really see how that makes me sound like I'm financially invested in this article. Perhaps YouTube might explain why, seems a good place to start.

[untakenname]

I think you should watch a few videos on youtube or at least do some cursory research as you're just displaying complete ignorance, as long as you're not running drag radials then the powertrain will take it.

You can walk into a Ford dealership and walk out with a 1000hp Mustang for $55k.


https://mustangforums.com/articles/lebanon-ford-in...

Edited by untakenname on Thursday 24th June 21:51

[Rogue86]

untakenname said:

I think you should watch a few videos on youtube or at least do some cursory research as you're just displaying complete ignorance, as long as you're not running drag radials then the powertrain will take it.

You can walk into a Ford dealership and walk out with a 1000hp Mustang for $55k.


https://mustangforums.com/articles/lebanon-ford-in...

Edited by untakenname on Thursday 24th June 21:51

Complete ignorance, yet your initial bluster of building one for 10k has immediately gone (in one post) to 5x that price.

Now all you need to factor is in a move to Ohio (or the import taxes and SVA involved in bringing it over here) and you've won. Obviously provided you don't put grippier tyres on a 1000bhp car and blow the thing up.

Maybe there's a reason you don't run a business building them.

[untakenname]

You do realise the $55k includes a brand new Mustang to go with the modifications installed to bring it to 1000hp ready to roll out of the forecourt?

The $10k was for the diy bolt on kit and tune.

There's a user on here who imported a GT350 iirc the IVA was around £2k and the tax and shipping wasn't that bad (pre shipping container crisis).

Any high powered car repeatedly launching on a prepped track with drag radials will need modifications for reliability, the extra cost for the drag strip modifications seem quite reasonable

article in above post said:

The $4,000 Protection Pack includes MMR Billet Oil Pump Gears and 2000HP DSS half-shafts. The $2,500 Suspension Pack includes Drag Lowering Springs ( 1.2”F/.5”R) or Street Lowering Springs (1” Around) and a Steeda Stop the Hop Kit. And the $5,000 Drag Pack includes a Carbon Fiber 1-piece Driveshaft, Blowfish Safety loop, and Race Star Drag Wheels with Mickey Thompson Tires.

[AdeTuono]

Rogue86 said:

untakenname said:

I think you should watch a few videos on youtube or at least do some cursory research as you're just displaying complete ignorance, as long as you're not running drag radials then the powertrain will take it.

You can walk into a Ford dealership and walk out with a 1000hp Mustang for $55k.


https://mustangforums.com/articles/lebanon-ford-in...

Edited by untakenname on Thursday 24th June 21:51

Complete ignorance, yet your initial bluster of building one for 10k has immediately gone (in one post) to 5x that price.

Now all you need to factor is in a move to Ohio (or the import taxes and SVA involved in bringing it over here) and you've won. Obviously provided you don't put grippier tyres on a 1000bhp car and blow the thing up.

Maybe there's a reason you don't run a business building them.

Just stop, would you? You're making yourself look foolish.

[Djtemeka]

untakenname said:

I think you should watch a few videos on youtube or at least do some cursory research as you're just displaying complete ignorance, as long as you're not running drag radials then the powertrain will take it.

You can walk into a Ford dealership and walk out with a 1000hp Mustang for $55k.


https://mustangforums.com/articles/lebanon-ford-in...

Edited by untakenname on Thursday 24th June 21:51

But no warranty

[IT Geek]

Absolutely love this, rhd too, with warranty. Just need that bank job or lottery win to happen.

[ducnick]

Volvolover said:

ducnick said:

They have cottoned onto the fact they can build these simply by taking a mustang gt from ford £45k ish. Adding a whipple and oil pump £9k, some Bmr braces and kw coil overs £2k a full exhaust with headers £2.5k, a custom tune £500, wheels and tyres £2.5k and a few assorted Chinese body kit parts £2.5k
+ 1 weeks labour at one of the many specialists (I believe Sutton use gt101 in Essex but I may be wrong) for the build and hey presto you turn a tidy profit without worrying about import duties.

Far cheaper to buy your own mustang and ask gt101 or modurstang to do the build for you….. unless you really are desperate for a £40 grand Clive Sutton badge on the dash and arse.

Are you going to develop and test the custom tune and coil over sprig rates and damper settings for free?

No absolutely not, I would pay a professional to do it. Just like Sutton pay someone else to do it. Most people don’t understand the role of Sutton in this offering. Sutton’s main business is importing and selling LHD US cars in the U.K. in the case of these RHD mustangs, all Sutton do is source the car locally to save import costs then send the car off to a professional to do the work then stick a badge on it and market them on pistonheads. By forgoing the marketing and badge you can get a huge saving and still have an identical car built from the same aftermarket parts by exactly the same pair of hands at GT101 (or elsewhere)

[Rogue86]

AdeTuono said:

Just stop, would you? You're making yourself look foolish.

Odd then that none of you entrepreneurial types are currently hammering away at your own business plan to make over 100k profit per car as you all suggest. Why is that I wonder? Just to clarify, nobody is suggesting that Sutton is selling these cars at cost price.

But if I'm foolish for disagreeing, then why are there no 1200bhp S550s in the UK that were bought and built for £40k ($55k USD) including the car? Wouldnt we all be rocking around in them for that money?

If you're going to watch YouTube, maybe try the Motorsport and Performance page to see what actually goes into building these high bhp Mustangs in the UK. Their demo car is currently the most powerful S550 in the UK and they've also built the fastest S550 and GT350R in the UK too. I've driven their demo car and experienced a few of their other builds, they are absolutely incredible things. They are not just cobbled together on someone's drive using the cheapest parts they could find. They are painstakingly modified and tuned using the best parts by multiple guys who are specialists in their own fields. I see value in that and I'm not sure that makes me foolish.

I guess I'm just not sure why people don't see the value in things generally any more. If you've got the time and knowledge to build your own for less money then you should absolutely go for it, but this thread is staple PH. One guy arguing based off a few threads he's read and a YouTube video and two others backing him up based on absolutely nothing other than the desire to get into an online fight. Not one of you with any experience in the thing you're arguing about.