RE: All-new Ferrari 296 GTB is rear-drive PHEV

[Drl22]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Welcome to 2021. Did you expect it to be much less for a hybrid 800+bhp Ferrari?

For an entry level Ferrari, yes I did but you make a good point. New car prices at all levels are hugely inflated these days.

[AlexS]

F20CN16 said:

abzmike said:

ajprice said:

abzmike said:

I like it, and suspect it will look even better in the metal, or fibre. One thought though - the back end looks big for a car with a small engine..l what is actually taking up all that space, or has it got a boot I missed? Lovely looking though, but not with the yellow...

'Small' engine is a 120° V with the turbos on top, so that's going to be fairly wide and tall, then the electric motors and battery pack in there too takes up a chunk of space. Images from the 296 website

I get the wide and tall, but why the length.
Would the batteries be better in the floor, dropping the CoG?

Doing that would raise the overall height of the car, and probably make it look extremely odd as a result.

If the architecture of the Ferrari engine is similar to the one in the McLaren Artura then the 120° v6 with the turbos in the v is narrower than a 60° v6 with the turbos on the outside. The space required for the exhaust manifolds and turbos is more than that for the cylinder heads as the inlet system is almost under the engine.

The CofG is also lower.

[LunarOne]

Someone should think of making a 180° V6 and putting that in a mid-engined sports car. That would be amazing...

[LunarOne]

Vee12V said:

LunarOne said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

What do you mean, now 6?

Technically that's a Dino, not a Ferrari.

In my opinion it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made. A non chairs-n-flares model, that is. I consider it a Ferrari even if not everyone does.

[PhantomPH]

LunarOne said:

Vee12V said:

LunarOne said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

What do you mean, now 6?

Technically that's a Dino, not a Ferrari.

In my opinion it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made. A non chairs-n-flares model, that is. I consider it a Ferrari even if not everyone does.

I'd also probably choose that colour, too - something about an old Ferrari in brown (don't give me any of that 'bronze' bks - it's brown ) that just absolutely works. Same for the Daytona/275/etc...

[jayemm89]

Dick Lovett just sold a 488 in pretty much that colour

[roadie]

I don't particularly like the rear haunches over the rear wheels and the rear wheels themselves seem massive in the photos.

Overall, it doesn't really excite me in any way. I'm sure that would be different in person.

[amgmcqueen]

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

No.

[Mafffew]

Drl22 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Welcome to 2021. Did you expect it to be much less for a hybrid 800+bhp Ferrari?

For an entry level Ferrari, yes I did but you make a good point. New car prices at all levels are hugely inflated these days.

It's not really an entry level Ferrari though, that would be the Portofino or Roma.

[GroundEffect]

Drl22 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Welcome to 2021. Did you expect it to be much less for a hybrid 800+bhp Ferrari?

For an entry level Ferrari, yes I did but you make a good point. New car prices at all levels are hugely inflated these days.

Because wealth inequality is accelerating globally - the 1% and 0.1% are getting much much richer. They can afford it.

[cidered77]

GroundEffect said:

Drl22 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Welcome to 2021. Did you expect it to be much less for a hybrid 800+bhp Ferrari?

For an entry level Ferrari, yes I did but you make a good point. New car prices at all levels are hugely inflated these days.

Because wealth inequality is accelerating globally - the 1% and 0.1% are getting much much richer. They can afford it.

Yep -the usual numbers adjusted for inflation figure for older cars doesn't really cut it so much - it's the "people in a position to buy it" figure that matters more, and there are a lot of people - not even super rich people - who can find the cash for the deposit, and then finance essentially the depreciation ,and cover the (warrantied) running costs. So whereas the consensus on forums seems to be supercar fatigue (which i share); they keep building 'em because people keep buying em!

I read in Octane this month the original Gullwing 300 SL had an inflation adjusted price of 74k - but the number of people in a position to pay 74k for a car back then was teeny tiny compare to today i'll wager...

[voram]

Better looking than some of their recent cars and should move along nicely on the road! Hope it sounds good in real life.

[ManyMotors]

amgmcqueen said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

No.

Okay. Then how about an approving look?

[JerseyBeans]

Thats not pretty

[Manic Street Sleeper]

JerseyBeans said:

Thats not pretty

I think you prefer 4x4 sheds ...

[Harrypop]

Have the exact dimensions been stated anywhere? Is it going to be appreciatively smaller to make it properly useable, from a size perspective if not an outright performance one, and therefore more enjoyable on a larger of proportion of roads?

[samoht]

Harrypop said:

Have the exact dimensions been stated anywhere? Is it going to be appreciatively smaller to make it properly useable, from a size perspective if not an outright performance one, and therefore more enjoyable on a larger of proportion of roads?

Yes and No, respectively. Available on https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/296-gtb under Specifications > Dimensions & Weights (or more conveniently on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_296_GTB )

It's 5cm shorter, 2cm narrower and 1cm lower than the F8 Tributo. So still 1.96m / 77" wide - supercar dimensions, rather than sports car ones.

[anonymous-user]

GroundEffect said:

fblm said:

GroundEffect said:

The batteries are vulnerable items, therefore cannot be put too low down. All vehicles that have them in the floor, actually end up with a raised floor vs what you could achieve without. You really don't want to strike the pack with a kerb/speed bump or equally likely have some debris go under your car on the motorway and strike the front of the pack sticking down.

The consequence of that is to have a higher floorpan height, therefore seating position/H point, therefore roof height.

So, stick them in a more rectangular shape and job jobbed.

You better let Porsche know

Taycan is a very different product with different architecture.

As another data point, go see the rationale for the Rimac Nevera not having a floor-mounted pack.

I don't get your logic. The Ferrari pack is small it doesn't need to be under the seats and Porsche seem to think that low down is acceptable from a hitting things perspective. The Porsche runs 120mm off the road I doubt the 296 is much, if at all lower.

[ajprice]

Harrypop said:

Have the exact dimensions been stated anywhere? Is it going to be appreciatively smaller to make it properly useable, from a size perspective if not an outright performance one, and therefore more enjoyable on a larger of proportion of roads?

296 website https://www.ferrari.com/en-ZW/auto/296-gtb/share/t...

L/W/H : 4565mm / 1958mm / 1187mm
Dry weight : 1470kg
Weight distribution 40.5 front / 59.5 rear

F8 Tributo specs on Wikipedia and Ferrari page

L/W/H : 4611mm /1979mm / 1206mm
Kerb weight: 1435kg

[anonymous-user]

LunarOne said:

Someone should think of making a 180° V6 and putting that in a mid-engined sports car. That would be amazing...

It'll never catch on!