RE: All-new Ferrari 296 GTB is rear-drive PHEV
Discussion
ajprice said:
296 website https://www.ferrari.com/en-ZW/auto/296-gtb/share/t...
L/W/H : 4565mm / 1958mm / 1187mm
Dry weight : 1470kg
Weight distribution 40.5 front / 59.5 rear
F8 Tributo specs on Wikipedia and Ferrari page
L/W/H : 4611mm /1979mm / 1206mm
Kerb weight: 1435kg
L/W/H : 4565mm / 1958mm / 1187mm
Dry weight : 1470kg
Weight distribution 40.5 front / 59.5 rear
F8 Tributo specs on Wikipedia and Ferrari page
L/W/H : 4611mm /1979mm / 1206mm
Kerb weight: 1435kg
samoht said:
Yes and No, respectively. Available on https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/296-gtb under Specifications > Dimensions & Weights (or more conveniently on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_296_GTB )
It's 5cm shorter, 2cm narrower and 1cm lower than the F8 Tributo. So still 1.96m / 77" wide - supercar dimensions, rather than sports car ones.
Thank you for the responses. The width would always be the killer, for obvious reasons, but this is still a sizeable chunk bigger than something like a Gallardo, despite being more compact than Ferrari's existing mid engines offerings, and that was already just about as big as I'd personally want to hustle on a decent road. It's 5cm shorter, 2cm narrower and 1cm lower than the F8 Tributo. So still 1.96m / 77" wide - supercar dimensions, rather than sports car ones.
Murcielago_Boy said:
Must be my age, but I think I’d have more fun in a 355.
Not sure about your age. - I'm "only" 32 and feel the same. Sure, these turbo, electrified, 2-pedal cars might be 0.0002 seconds faster on track than the model they launched 5 minutes ago but what do they offer on the public road where they're (sometimes) actually driven?Looks like a corvette.
Must be difficult. No one really interested in objectively better cars as the are subjectivity less interesting and desirable than cars in the back catalogue.
Aero only really relevant at speeds well over road limits, but sadly massively affect the current cars styling.
A Ferrari with less of everything, power, speed, grip, size, etc. With a manual gearbox and hybrid NA engine that sounds epic would be my preference. But then I don't suppose the bulk of Ferrari buyers would share that view either.
Must be difficult. No one really interested in objectively better cars as the are subjectivity less interesting and desirable than cars in the back catalogue.
Aero only really relevant at speeds well over road limits, but sadly massively affect the current cars styling.
A Ferrari with less of everything, power, speed, grip, size, etc. With a manual gearbox and hybrid NA engine that sounds epic would be my preference. But then I don't suppose the bulk of Ferrari buyers would share that view either.
Clivey said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
Must be my age, but I think I’d have more fun in a 355.
Not sure about your age. - I'm "only" 32 and feel the same. Sure, these turbo, electrified, 2-pedal cars might be 0.0002 seconds faster on track than the model they launched 5 minutes ago but what do they offer on the public road where they're (sometimes) actually driven?I watched this YouTube clip earlier, Chris Harris has bought a £21k Mondial. Old school Ferrari V8, metal gated manual 'box in a 4 seater rag top body, looks a lot of fun for the money. I think given the cash I'd do something similar.
https://youtu.be/f0n3JtlX4Jg
jamesx19 said:
A Ferrari with less of everything, power, speed, grip, size, etc. With a manual gearbox and hybrid NA engine that sounds epic would be my preference. But then I don't suppose the bulk of Ferrari buyers would share that view either.
Depends how it's marketed. - Look at the likes (and values) of the Porsche 911 R and GT3 Touring. I think (hope) that we'll see more "driver's cars" from supercar manufacturers as people become increasingly disillusioned with new generations of digital hypercars.Manic Street Sleeper said:
Ferrari will never build another new car with last century technology so stop moaning about it, get used to it or go and inhabit this world instead. 
This, absolutely - I don't understand those who use Porsche as an example as their positioning in the market isn't the same as Ferrari, at all; furthermore, why would Ferrari make a car with a N/A engine at this point, given the inevitability of them being phased out???It's like people on here conveniently forget Ferrari now have shareholders to answer to...
Yes, I'm sure you will both have the same "common sense" opinion when Ferrari are making fully autonomous electric capsules. And why would anyone make a NA engine anymore?
Porsche, GMA, AMR????
The "new" Ferrari is already desperately clinging to tech that has been around for a number of years in an effort to stave off the inevitable. The wonder is that anyone thinks it's cutting edge.
They are just using a different method of getting (big) power for their cars because that's what they believe the market wants, as well as comply with different countries legislation. If you think it's an evolutionary step from NA to where they are now, you are very sadly mistaken.
DSG gearboxes are another example where folk think they are somehow a "better, modern tech" where as they are really just another blind alley. The objectively better option is a CVT. But, quite rightly no one likes them. Witness stepped auto transmissions replacing DSG's (which are heavy and complicated)
An electric motor doesn't need a transmission.
Wake up to the real future.
Porsche, GMA, AMR????
The "new" Ferrari is already desperately clinging to tech that has been around for a number of years in an effort to stave off the inevitable. The wonder is that anyone thinks it's cutting edge.
They are just using a different method of getting (big) power for their cars because that's what they believe the market wants, as well as comply with different countries legislation. If you think it's an evolutionary step from NA to where they are now, you are very sadly mistaken.
DSG gearboxes are another example where folk think they are somehow a "better, modern tech" where as they are really just another blind alley. The objectively better option is a CVT. But, quite rightly no one likes them. Witness stepped auto transmissions replacing DSG's (which are heavy and complicated)
An electric motor doesn't need a transmission.
Wake up to the real future.
jamesx19 said:
Yes, I'm sure you will both have the same "common sense" opinion when Ferrari are making fully autonomous electric capsules. And why would anyone make a NA engine anymore?
Porsche, GMA, AMR????
The "new" Ferrari is already desperately clinging to tech that has been around for a number of years in an effort to stave off the inevitable. The wonder is that anyone thinks it's cutting edge.
They are just using a different method of getting (big) power for their cars because that's what they believe the market wants, as well as comply with different countries legislation. If you think it's an evolutionary step from NA to where they are now, you are very sadly mistaken.
DSG gearboxes are another example where folk think they are somehow a "better, modern tech" where as they are really just another blind alley. The objectively better option is a CVT. But, quite rightly no one likes them. Witness stepped auto transmissions replacing DSG's (which are heavy and complicated)
An electric motor doesn't need a transmission.
Wake up to the real future.
I partly agree with the above, i know its a very different car but apart from WAY more power it's kind of like an i8, 15 miles range, plug in on a 7 kw battery.Porsche, GMA, AMR????
The "new" Ferrari is already desperately clinging to tech that has been around for a number of years in an effort to stave off the inevitable. The wonder is that anyone thinks it's cutting edge.
They are just using a different method of getting (big) power for their cars because that's what they believe the market wants, as well as comply with different countries legislation. If you think it's an evolutionary step from NA to where they are now, you are very sadly mistaken.
DSG gearboxes are another example where folk think they are somehow a "better, modern tech" where as they are really just another blind alley. The objectively better option is a CVT. But, quite rightly no one likes them. Witness stepped auto transmissions replacing DSG's (which are heavy and complicated)
An electric motor doesn't need a transmission.
Wake up to the real future.
very similar scope and before anyone says "FERRARI!!1ONE!! HAS WAY MORE POWER ETC" the I8 is now 7 years old and was half the price.
Richard-G said:
I partly agree with the above, i know its a very different car but apart from WAY more power it's kind of like an i8, 15 miles range, plug in on a 7 kw battery.
very similar scope and before anyone says "FERRARI!!1ONE!! HAS WAY MORE POWER ETC" the I8 is now 7 years old and was half the price.
And half the cylinder count very similar scope and before anyone says "FERRARI!!1ONE!! HAS WAY MORE POWER ETC" the I8 is now 7 years old and was half the price.
.MitchT said:
Jex said:
355 would definitely be more fun in the real world, and demonstrably more fun to look at too!Basically - are we now at a point where 90's Ferraris are viewed by the public as classics and have much less of a social stigma?
PhantomPH said:
MitchT said:
Jex said:
355 would definitely be more fun in the real world, and demonstrably more fun to look at too!Basically - are we now at a point where 90's Ferraris are viewed by the public as classics and have much less of a social stigma?
'money, car guy, and depending on the car, relatively good taste'.
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