RE: BMW confirms new 374hp M240i flagship
Discussion
VS02 said:
A2V1N said:
No manual gearbox.... no thank you.
Bmw manuals were never considered great. In fact they’ve always been rubbery, imprecise and notchy (but not in the good sense) and not very pleasant, and the offset position of the clutch means it isn’t very comfortable either. Not to mention the CDV just takes away any shift feel anyway.The ZF8 has always been the more involving.
If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
Limpet said:
Precisely.
If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
I find the shift in the manual M2 to be pretty good, nowhere near as good as say a S2000's but pretty solid, even on track. It's nowhere near bad enough to make me want an auto. I heard it even has a CDV, I had no idea as it feels far better than the old CDV in the E82 (which takes all of 10mn to remove).If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
nickfrog said:
SidewaysSi said:
Yet another BMW you can really only order in black. They should forget the other colours and go back to the days of Mr Ford 
It's my favourite shade of grey, so I am OK.
COLLY1 said:
Bit sluggish for a 3 litre! Look what Mercedes can do with a 2 litre!
I expect the next M2 will come with ~450bhp. That's more of a direct competitor to the A45. The M240i is more than 10% cheaper...As great as the Mercedes 2.0 is, the B58 engine is outstanding. I'd happily drop 40hp to keep the straight six.
zestyfesty said:
VS02 said:
Bmw manuals were never considered great. In fact they’ve always been rubbery, imprecise and notchy (but not in the good sense) and not very pleasant, and the offset position of the clutch means it isn’t very comfortable either. Not to mention the CDV just takes away any shift feel anyway.
The ZF8 has always been the more involving.
Despite being a die-hard 3 pedal fanboy, having experienced both I think I have to agree with this. Why wife never warmed to BMW offset clutch and notchiness of shift actionThe ZF8 has always been the more involving.
Drive since 3years a manual M4 cp. Cool car and very involving
on the road and on track. Sure, slower shifting than the auto, but pure fun.
Shifts are precise and go with joy from the wrist...
Weight is more the trouble on my car(all that generation of bmws) and even more on
this new generation. 1765kg sounds pretty heavy for a 2 series....
Anybody aware of a convertible 2 series with the same engine coming?
Could be an idea, with the weight, only auto, but still great engine...
My Estoril blue M235i has all the interior and exterior MP parts, but the new M240i x-drive looks just as good or even better as "standard". Saw it in the flesh today at Goodwood and love it. The rear is much better in the flesh and the front is just greatly proportioned. Interior appears to be a good upgrade. The upgraded alloys on the M240i mean you unfortunately get additional plastic arch extenders... no doubt an EU regulation.
Even the blue 220d looks good
Even the blue 220d looks good
nickfrog said:
Limpet said:
Precisely.
If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
I find the shift in the manual M2 to be pretty good, nowhere near as good as say a S2000's but pretty solid, even on track. It's nowhere near bad enough to make me want an auto. I heard it even has a CDV, I had no idea as it feels far better than the old CDV in the E82 (which takes all of 10mn to remove).If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
One thing I hadn’t picked up on until now is the cost cutting on the rear callipers; they no longer match the fronts and are cast iron, single piston sliders again. Seems like a bit of a step back from the Brembo’s on the F series cars.
Limpet said:
VS02 said:
A2V1N said:
No manual gearbox.... no thank you.
Bmw manuals were never considered great. In fact they’ve always been rubbery, imprecise and notchy (but not in the good sense) and not very pleasant, and the offset position of the clutch means it isn’t very comfortable either. Not to mention the CDV just takes away any shift feel anyway.The ZF8 has always been the more involving.
If you can't enjoy using a manual 'box, it has absolutely no advantage over an even half decent automatic, in my view.
Every manual BMW I've driven built in the last 20 years has been memorable for entirely the wrong reasons. A heavy, rubbery feel to the shift quality, the occasional tendency to baulk, and with a feel that changing gear is a chore rather than something to enjoy. And then you have that infernal CDV that robs all feel and consistency from the clutch. Yes, I know you can remove it, but you shouldn't have to.
It's a shame that a manufacturer which has prided (and marketed) itself on building driver focused cars for such a long time can't seem to get this right. If I think of a car I'd had with the most memorably unpleasant manual gearbox, my 2012 manual F30 would be pretty much top. I still struggled to perform a smooth 1st to 2nd gearchange in it even after 60,000 miles of familiarity.
TX.
Court_S said:
One thing I hadn’t picked up on until now is the cost cutting on the rear callipers; they no longer match the fronts and are cast iron, single piston sliders again. Seems like a bit of a step back from the Brembo’s on the F series cars.
Yes it's a bit petty at the price of the M240iX.I assume the M2 will have the M3 calipers but I have no idea how much that will be. £60k? More?
Monkey_boy said:
My Estoril blue M235i has all the interior and exterior MP parts, but the new M240i x-drive looks just as good or even better as "standard". Saw it in the flesh today at Goodwood and love it. The rear is much better in the flesh and the front is just greatly proportioned. Interior appears to be a good upgrade. The upgraded alloys on the M240i mean you unfortunately get additional plastic arch extenders... no doubt an EU regulation.
Even the blue 220d looks good
I'm actually warming to it now with a few days exposure.Even the blue 220d looks good
Some proper photos in real light definitely help. I'm sure in the metal it'll look fine, maybe a bit avant garde for BMW, but fine.
This is also likely to be on of the last all new ICE cars launched by BMW, so best make the most of it.
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