RE: Ineos shows off Grenadier interior
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I really wanted to love this but it's a huge disappointment. I thought they were going with simplicity and functionality, something incredibly hard to do while maintaining good ergonomics, but the mix of dozens of faux aeronautical switches, iDrive and touch screen ends up falling between two stools... its not simple and functional (it's far too cluttered) and it doesn't look pleasingly expensive or premium, to my eye it looks like a modified emergency services vehicle where loads of buttons have been added to an otherwise normal vehicle
The more I see this, the more I get the impress that they just want to sell an image of ruggedness, rather than actually appeal to those who need a rugged car.
I expect it will be mainly used as a lifestyle car rather than an actual workhorse. It will be the leftfield choice to a Land Rover or G class.
I expect it will be mainly used as a lifestyle car rather than an actual workhorse. It will be the leftfield choice to a Land Rover or G class.
Chris944_S2 said:
...I expect it will be mainly used as a lifestyle car rather than an actual workhorse. It will be the leftfield choice to a Land Rover or G class.
I don't think anyone should be surprised that is the market they are going for. No-one is going to be cross-shopping a base spec Hilux and an Ineos.Truckosaurus said:
At the very least we should be celebrating that it actually has buttons (all the buttons!) instead of sticking it all on a touchscreen, which would have been the much cheaper solution for a small manufacturer to come up with.
Why so many though. It's meant to be a simple, mechanical car. How many options could you possibly need quick access to?JakeT said:
All of those old world buttons, and the iDrive bits. Ew.
The manual 4WD selector and BMW automatic gear-lever. Ew.
Looks like a very clumsy mix of old and new, and not in the right way.
Yep agreed - the power ranger's leg of the BMW with a big rough and tough lever for the other gubbins, weird.The manual 4WD selector and BMW automatic gear-lever. Ew.
Looks like a very clumsy mix of old and new, and not in the right way.
Presumably BMW insist that if you use their powertrains you've got to integrate that gear lever too? It appears in the Morgans too.
That aside it looks OK, hardly the basic vehicle they've touted it as so far but otherwise it looks suitably robust.
There is absolutely nothing utilitarian about that interior, it's very faux utilitarian in fact. Nothing wrong with that, apart from this contention that is a 'proper' 4x4 compared to modern JLR output.
As to touchscreens, has anyone driven a tractor or large excavator in the last ten or twenty years, they almost all have touchscreens and they are distinctly utilitarian.
As to touchscreens, has anyone driven a tractor or large excavator in the last ten or twenty years, they almost all have touchscreens and they are distinctly utilitarian.
Krikkit said:
Yep agreed - the power ranger's leg of the BMW with a big rough and tough lever for the other gubbins, weird.
Presumably BMW insist that if you use their powertrains you've got to integrate that gear lever too? It appears in the Morgans too.
A new gear lever is going to be hugely expensive - £1m+ I'd bet and it'll be a testing a development nightmare when ZF/BMW will only warranty their components if it meets the OE item's specs. So, you suck it up and use the ugly/obvious BMW part. Presumably BMW insist that if you use their powertrains you've got to integrate that gear lever too? It appears in the Morgans too.
Macboy said:
Ergonomically it's a disaster.
Why do you say that?Obviously I haven't sat in the car but it looks like all the controls you need to use regularly are easy to find, large and widely spaced so you can operate them without looking at them.
Also like the 'toot' button, assuming it does the Ogmios-style 'just a gentle beep'
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