RE: Ineos shows off Grenadier interior
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LargeRed said:
In the days when BMW owned them, they tried that, and found over 1,000 improvements to be made, JUST on the Freelander 1 !!!!!, their best selling vehicle of that time.
Good Luck
Sure, but equally, LR showed BMW a thing or two as well. They had no idea of the dynamic chassis requirements for snatch recovery when they began prototyping the X5.Good Luck
They'd also spend loads of time looking at lateral G forces, hammering around the Nordschleife, making the X5 extremely (very ingeniously) well mannered, compared to any other SUV, but were then totally blindsided when LR tech guys took them and their car to Ireland to look at vertical G.
The '70's union nightmare, Geoffrey Robinson, etc, ought to have been consigned to the past by now.
Germany is arguably more unionised than the UK, and yet the manufacturing quality isn't in question. Merc, Porsche, VW have all had reliability issues in recent decades, but they have all been design choices gone wrong.
Germany is arguably more unionised than the UK, and yet the manufacturing quality isn't in question. Merc, Porsche, VW have all had reliability issues in recent decades, but they have all been design choices gone wrong.
LargeRed said:
In the days when BMW owned them, they tried that, and found over 1,000 improvements to be made, JUST on the Freelander 1 !!!!!, their best selling vehicle of that time.
Good Luck
That figures as the Freelander 2 was one of the better LR products of recent years - people who own them seem to not want to give them up (notably Prince Philip). Good Luck
Leithen said:
Germany is arguably more unionised than the UK, and yet the manufacturing quality isn't in question. Merc, Porsche, VW have all had reliability issues in recent decades, but they have all been design choices gone wrong.
The difference is that German unions and workers' representatives are involved at board level. There's just a fundamentally different mindset.skwdenyer said:
Leithen said:
Germany is arguably more unionised than the UK, and yet the manufacturing quality isn't in question. Merc, Porsche, VW have all had reliability issues in recent decades, but they have all been design choices gone wrong.
The difference is that German unions and workers' representatives are involved at board level. There's just a fundamentally different mindset.DonkeyApple said:
skwdenyer said:
Leithen said:
Germany is arguably more unionised than the UK, and yet the manufacturing quality isn't in question. Merc, Porsche, VW have all had reliability issues in recent decades, but they have all been design choices gone wrong.
The difference is that German unions and workers' representatives are involved at board level. There's just a fundamentally different mindset.If you instead meant to say something like "because businesses keep unions outside of the boardroom, they create the very entrenched them-and-us opposition-focussed relationship that does so much to prevent a more beneficial relationship developing" then I'd have agreed with you
skwdenyer said:
I'm with you up to "must be treated differently and separately." I don't agree. I think large companies should invite the unions into the boardroom. There is no "must" about it.
If you instead meant to say something like "because businesses keep unions outside of the boardroom, they create the very entrenched them-and-us opposition-focussed relationship that does so much to prevent a more beneficial relationship developing" then I'd have agreed with you
The legal framework is t there in the UK to allow this change. We need to put that in place so that unions can sit at the table but also, unions need to change their purpose and structure as the Church had to in short, you'd actually need different and new unions that existed under fresh mandates and that openly competed against the incumbent dinosaurs that like the Church of old, see themselves as king makers and power brokers for their personal gain. If you instead meant to say something like "because businesses keep unions outside of the boardroom, they create the very entrenched them-and-us opposition-focussed relationship that does so much to prevent a more beneficial relationship developing" then I'd have agreed with you
Not only do you require a corporate entity to break away but you require a new union to facilitate that.
The incumbent unions have achieved nothing for their members in the 21st century other than wage stagnation and participation in the push to employ overseas labour and halt onshore investment. Instead they have invested their money in trying to seize political power for themselves at the expense of those supposed to be in their care.
Unions are essential but they must be fit for purpose and exist to serve their members not themselves and their own hunger for power and control. The UK desperately needs new unions for the 21st century that are fit for purpose and have their members interests ahead of their own.
We might then stand a chance of removing the negligent, inconstant and dishonest from the police, NHS and schools and allow the spotlight to focus on the management layers that 2020 showed so clearly to be unfit for purpose.
The question is how to bring in new blood and competition to the unions?
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