The Joy of Running an Old Shed (Vol 2)
Discussion
Mercury00 said:
^ your mistake there was buying a diesel Toyota. Petrol Toyotas last forever. The Japanese don't seem to be very good at making diesel engines, I know some of the D4D variants had head gasket issues.
Pretty much this. I've owned several Toyota's over the years
Yaris 1.0 Petrol. - cockroach.
Avensis MK1 2.0D4d - flywheel+clutch+starter motor
Avensis MK2 2.0d4d - same as above at some point as mine had a solid mass flywheel. Did something like 55k miles no issues.
Avensis MK3 2.0d4d - current shed. Electric handbrake warning light on dash, but car drives pretty good.
HiAce 2.4D - Indestructible.
Toyota Auris 1.6 - wife's car for last 5.5 years. Only needed a new battery and changed the gearbox oil on day 1 of purchase as it was a bit iffy. No issues since.
A friend has an Auris 2.2d4d. Piece of s
t EGR issues all the time.A different friend also once had an issue with an Avensis 1.6 petrol MK1. Something to do with exhaust manifold or another. Apart from that, Toyota Petrols are the sheds to have for reliability.
bodhi said:
Judging by the number I still see running around our town, I can't help thinking the 2005 - 2010 Civic deserves its reputation as a cockroach - in fact I'd go so far as to say I see more of them than the new models....
I really like my CDTI even with 148k on it, just a really nice drive, ride is firm but I can live with it.To prove your point, I came out to the carpark today and was greeted by this sight so just had to take a picture.
Mine is on the right.
Shnozz said:
Those Civics have aged well. Still look fresh today and I suspect probably good to drive judging by other Hondas I have driven over the years.
Even with 148k it is a really nice drive and everything works as it should, for £995 it was a great buy, yes I have had to do some repairs and a small service but still a cheap car.Mercury00 said:
^ your mistake there was buying a diesel Toyota. Petrol Toyotas last forever. The Japanese don't seem to be very good at making diesel engines, I know some of the D4D variants had head gasket issues.
1.4 d4d is a cracking little engine. As is the 2.4 / 2.5 d4d both capable of long lives by the seems of it. 2.0 not so keen on, and the 2.2 wa the engine that had the head issues (not head gasket). And the Honda 2.2 seems to be a decent bet, though I've never had one. As for the Japs not making decent diesel engines, the old Izusu 3.1 was a beast of an engine, and lasts longer than the earth, and the 1.7 Vauxhall use is decent. It was also used in the Civic, and seemed OK there as well. And the more modern Honda 1.6 twin turbo seem pretty good.
I'd prefer an old fashioned BMW diesel, which are as good as any, as long as they are not driven by the pathetic bike chains, or the Volvo D5 lump, but not all Jap diesel engines are rubbish.
bodhi said:
Judging by the number I still see running around our town, I can't help thinking the 2005 - 2010 Civic deserves its reputation as a cockroach - in fact I'd go so far as to say I see more of them than the new models....
You're not wrong. The car site "how many are left" confirms there are more 2007 models on the road than 2017 models! The 2006-11 civic was a great car, the new one too big and ugly!! ST565NP said:
bungz said:
Now will likely get buttons back for it as they immediately said they were stationary.
What do you mean by that ? Is there any other damage other than the rear door?Just got the impression she is going to say I cut across her rather than she set off into the side of me.
Damage should be pretty convincing for a non fault but who knows, would just rather someone hold their hand up. Excess if shared blame would be half the value of the car you see.
bungz said:
Rear door arch is stoved in.
Just got the impression she is going to say I cut across her rather than she set off into the side of me.
Damage should be pretty convincing for a non fault but who knows, would just rather someone hold their hand up. Excess if shared blame would be half the value of the car you see.
Make sure you take photos of the scene. It should be clear from damage and circumstances how it occurred. I'd be expecting a full recovery from the third party insurers.Just got the impression she is going to say I cut across her rather than she set off into the side of me.
Damage should be pretty convincing for a non fault but who knows, would just rather someone hold their hand up. Excess if shared blame would be half the value of the car you see.
greenarrow said:
Anyone know why older jap cars are so much more to insure for 17 year olds than other stuff? E.g. K11 Micra (my all time favourite jap shed) was 1120 for my 17 year old, a 1.4 mk7 fiesta only 750.
Repair costs?? I thought Micra would be low given its reputation as a granny mobile!!
The granny market has moved on from the K11, it’s become quite popular with youngsters & attracting JDM ‘scene tax’.Repair costs?? I thought Micra would be low given its reputation as a granny mobile!!
I’m finding some 17yr old driver quotes rather logic defying too. Fiestas (& a Mondeo) are amongst the cheapest I’ve seen so far though.
bungz said:
I am so gutted right now.
Got side swiped as I entered a road someone was waiting at and they set off into the side of me before I had cleared them.
Was a free car off a friend and I spent a fair amount of money getting it straight, crank sensor, two new arms wheel bearing, back box, catalyst and a few other bits.
Genuinely wasn't a bad motor! AC even worked.
Only serviced it again last weekend.
Now will likely get buttons back for it as they immediately said they were stationary.
Not even possible!
Will look like new with a back door Got side swiped as I entered a road someone was waiting at and they set off into the side of me before I had cleared them.
Was a free car off a friend and I spent a fair amount of money getting it straight, crank sensor, two new arms wheel bearing, back box, catalyst and a few other bits.
Genuinely wasn't a bad motor! AC even worked.
Only serviced it again last weekend.
Now will likely get buttons back for it as they immediately said they were stationary.
Not even possible!
I would bet the B-pillar is still straight.That's a bit of a worry on sheds: if you do a lot of work (+time if you DIY) and it get smashed... You will never get your investment back, as they are worthless. I do "enjoy" driving a bit pushy with idiots in their big SUVs or small "AMG pack" diesel, as they will yield before me, but sometimes, I do think of all the hours I spent lying on the floor fixing my car.... Still, upsetting them is funnier
andrebar said:
I’m finding some 17yr old driver quotes rather logic defying too. Fiestas (& a Mondeo) are amongst the cheapest I’ve seen so far though.
My ST170 was cheaper than an Ibiza to insure when I was 17, a Leon 225 would've been even cheaper but I couldn't afford one at the time. andrebar said:
greenarrow said:
Anyone know why older jap cars are so much more to insure for 17 year olds than other stuff? E.g. K11 Micra (my all time favourite jap shed) was 1120 for my 17 year old, a 1.4 mk7 fiesta only 750.
Repair costs?? I thought Micra would be low given its reputation as a granny mobile!!
The granny market has moved on from the K11, it’s become quite popular with youngsters & attracting JDM ‘scene tax’.Repair costs?? I thought Micra would be low given its reputation as a granny mobile!!
I’m finding some 17yr old driver quotes rather logic defying too. Fiestas (& a Mondeo) are amongst the cheapest I’ve seen so far though.
Shnozz said:
I would never have seen that one coming. K11 was the car you would least want to be seen in when I was late teens. I remember my girlfriend of the time used to drive her Gran's one and it was deeply uncool.
I really wanted a K11 for a bit. Still quite like them. They've got the 90s JDM simple styling that people quite like. 3dr 1.3/4 with a manual is a rarity and that's why I never ended up getting one.Gizfab sell a turbo kit too...
Mercury00 said:
^ your mistake there was buying a diesel Toyota. Petrol Toyotas last forever. The Japanese don't seem to be very good at making diesel engines, I know some of the D4D variants had head gasket issues.
Agree. The 2.2 D4D is well known for being terrible generally. The 2.0 D4D is also rubbish in my opinion. Injectors are an issue as is the turbo. Never managed to resolve the white smoke issue with mine so chopped it in. Garage suggested a turbo rebuild, but I'd already been there once! And replaced the DPF. And the sensors. Awful.VW 1.2 polo was the cheapest for my daughter when she was learning, whereas a mini 1.4 ONE was the cheapest for my son - there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the costs.
Can recommend Bell for insurance though - they required a black box, but asked for it back after 6mths as they had enough data
Can recommend Bell for insurance though - they required a black box, but asked for it back after 6mths as they had enough data
bearman68 said:
Depends what you want. There's just so much information lacking as to your preference.
Data from 65 cars and somewhere about 120,000 miles a month would show that Laguna 3 diesels are pretty good - probably as reliable as a petrol Yaris, which is saying something.
We've had a diesel Auris or 2, plus a few other cars running 2.0 Toyota diesel engines, and they have not been the paragons of virtue that people claim them to be. The turbos have a habit of failing oil seals for example. As a result, I now tend to look for the 1.4 Toyota diesel, or the 2.4, and nothing in between.
We also run a few Megane 3's which are tediously reliable. Uncanny, given their reputation. The Mk2 less so.
The newer Peugeot petrol engines I tend to avoid, especially if they have VVti - Peugeot don't seem to be able to make a decent petrol engine at the moment. But any of the diesel engines from 2010 or later are pretty decent, including the DV6, which is a bit of a surprise.
We run several Volvo D5 engines that have been great. But they do require maintenance, and are especially fond of suspension bushes and handbrakes. But these are not likely to leave you stranded, so they are good for us.
Fords of all descriptions have been a bit rubbish, and had expensive maintenance issues.
Vaux Astras have been pretty good - we have 5 1.7 cdti versions that are very decent indeed, and pretty decent to drive. But the 1.4 corsa 4 we had was very poor, and we haven't bought any since.
Of course the Yaris is excellent, petrol or diesel. In 3 years running several, they have broken down twice - both times through running out of fuel. But I don't like the 3 cylinder 1.0 engine. Though I have come to like the C1 / 107 / Aygo thing, and now have 5 or 6 of them. They are pretty tough, but the clutch is prone to failure.
I personally have a Saab 9-3 diesel, and I like it very much, though I haven't had it long enough to judge reliability. The older petrol one was OK ish, but did require a fair bit of work, mainly wheel bearings, brakes, and a coolant leak. But I loved that car. Really loved it, and was very upset when my Mrs wrote it off.
I don't have any Hondas, or multiple examples of other models to be able to comment on.
I love reading about your cars and experience Bearman.... but running out of fuel is not a "break down" that's just an idiot playing fuel stop lottery. Toyota Yaris's do not break down..... my daughter bought one, absolutely tortured it within an inch of it's life, and it refused to give up. I wish I'd kept it when she wanted something with a little more power.Data from 65 cars and somewhere about 120,000 miles a month would show that Laguna 3 diesels are pretty good - probably as reliable as a petrol Yaris, which is saying something.
We've had a diesel Auris or 2, plus a few other cars running 2.0 Toyota diesel engines, and they have not been the paragons of virtue that people claim them to be. The turbos have a habit of failing oil seals for example. As a result, I now tend to look for the 1.4 Toyota diesel, or the 2.4, and nothing in between.
We also run a few Megane 3's which are tediously reliable. Uncanny, given their reputation. The Mk2 less so.
The newer Peugeot petrol engines I tend to avoid, especially if they have VVti - Peugeot don't seem to be able to make a decent petrol engine at the moment. But any of the diesel engines from 2010 or later are pretty decent, including the DV6, which is a bit of a surprise.
We run several Volvo D5 engines that have been great. But they do require maintenance, and are especially fond of suspension bushes and handbrakes. But these are not likely to leave you stranded, so they are good for us.
Fords of all descriptions have been a bit rubbish, and had expensive maintenance issues.
Vaux Astras have been pretty good - we have 5 1.7 cdti versions that are very decent indeed, and pretty decent to drive. But the 1.4 corsa 4 we had was very poor, and we haven't bought any since.
Of course the Yaris is excellent, petrol or diesel. In 3 years running several, they have broken down twice - both times through running out of fuel. But I don't like the 3 cylinder 1.0 engine. Though I have come to like the C1 / 107 / Aygo thing, and now have 5 or 6 of them. They are pretty tough, but the clutch is prone to failure.
I personally have a Saab 9-3 diesel, and I like it very much, though I haven't had it long enough to judge reliability. The older petrol one was OK ish, but did require a fair bit of work, mainly wheel bearings, brakes, and a coolant leak. But I loved that car. Really loved it, and was very upset when my Mrs wrote it off.
I don't have any Hondas, or multiple examples of other models to be able to comment on.
cedrichn said:
bungz said:
I am so gutted right now.
Got side swiped as I entered a road someone was waiting at and they set off into the side of me before I had cleared them.
Was a free car off a friend and I spent a fair amount of money getting it straight, crank sensor, two new arms wheel bearing, back box, catalyst and a few other bits.
Genuinely wasn't a bad motor! AC even worked.
Only serviced it again last weekend.
Now will likely get buttons back for it as they immediately said they were stationary.
Not even possible!
Will look like new with a back door Got side swiped as I entered a road someone was waiting at and they set off into the side of me before I had cleared them.
Was a free car off a friend and I spent a fair amount of money getting it straight, crank sensor, two new arms wheel bearing, back box, catalyst and a few other bits.
Genuinely wasn't a bad motor! AC even worked.
Only serviced it again last weekend.
Now will likely get buttons back for it as they immediately said they were stationary.
Not even possible!
I would bet the B-pillar is still straight.That's a bit of a worry on sheds: if you do a lot of work (+time if you DIY) and it get smashed... You will never get your investment back, as they are worthless. I do "enjoy" driving a bit pushy with idiots in their big SUVs or small "AMG pack" diesel, as they will yield before me, but sometimes, I do think of all the hours I spent lying on the floor fixing my car.... Still, upsetting them is funnier
Muddle238 said:
Good 75s are getting thin on the ground now, most have been run on shoestrings as sheds over the past few years and as such, met their demise in breakers yards or on scrap heaps.
A 75 that’s been looked after will command strong money in 75 terms; maybe £3-4k now, but genuinely good ones rarely appear now. Anything around the £1k mark is probably on its last legs, or would require a decent amount of investment to bring it up to scratch.
I paid £2k for my Tourer almost five years ago, at the time it was relatively strong money for one, but then it was a good example. It’s a diesel auto, bought for motorway commuting. It had 90k when I bought it, it’s now on 162k. I’ve invested in replacing worn suspension parts and addressing the usual common issues, but the headline fact is that over the past 72k miles since I’ve had it, it’s never let me down or left me stranded. Everything works, very comfortable, immense value for money for £2k given the use I’ve had from it so far.
Many will advise against a Rover because of the badge or the image, look past these frivolities and buy wisely, you can end up with a cracking car.
My 162k mile estate:
That’s a lovely looking 75.A 75 that’s been looked after will command strong money in 75 terms; maybe £3-4k now, but genuinely good ones rarely appear now. Anything around the £1k mark is probably on its last legs, or would require a decent amount of investment to bring it up to scratch.
I paid £2k for my Tourer almost five years ago, at the time it was relatively strong money for one, but then it was a good example. It’s a diesel auto, bought for motorway commuting. It had 90k when I bought it, it’s now on 162k. I’ve invested in replacing worn suspension parts and addressing the usual common issues, but the headline fact is that over the past 72k miles since I’ve had it, it’s never let me down or left me stranded. Everything works, very comfortable, immense value for money for £2k given the use I’ve had from it so far.
Many will advise against a Rover because of the badge or the image, look past these frivolities and buy wisely, you can end up with a cracking car.
My 162k mile estate:
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