Strange driving annoyances
Discussion
theplayingmantis said:
FiF said:
nonsequitur said:
FiF said:
theplayingmantis said:
200metres is approx. 2 football pitches i have just checked, so yes i have massively underestimated the visibility. lets be more accurate and say at very least 6-7 football pitches were the conditions, and mostly much more. Id happily stand by no light needed. if you cannot see hazards other vehicles that are not lit up in those conditions very well. you need to get tested.
So visibility was thick end of half a mile then. So fog lights definitely not needed, day or night, nor lights other than DRLs if not fitted. Thanks for coming back on that and clarifying.
As someone once said to me, 'Gray sky, gray road, grey car. Get them lights on'.
Regarding rear lights, whilst I agree that manufacturers should include rear lights with DRLs if only to stop feckless idiots driving round in the dark with DRLs and nothing else, away from night time the argument for rear lights is less certain. In daylight mist and fog you can often see the shape and outline of the vehicle ahead before you pick out the rear lights, which can be the case down to quite foggy conditions, hence rear fogs at 100m, but 200m you will see the vehicle outline before the rear position lights. Caveat, assuming you're not going at an inappropriate speed plus paying attention.
Not strange I don't think, but definitely annoying - tailgaters. When someone doesn't automatically zoom up my rear bumper in a 30 limit it is a relief. I'm not going to speed for anyone in a built up area so they can fark off.
Had a guy in a Lexus go apoplectic the other day when I flashed my brake lights at him (slowing about 1mph, 2mph absolute max.) when he came up at about 45mph to within 2-3 metre of my bumper, on a straight section in a 30 zone, lots of hazards (garage forecourt, commercial premises entrances, pedestrians on pavement), no prior interaction. Was weaving all over the place and trying to intimidate me. All on camera so if it came to it I could show what happened (have never replayed any dashcam footage ever though, just there in case the worst happens, so I hopefully I don't qualify as a dashcam w*nker). That was probably my first experience of roadrage in a year so I don't normally attract these situations.
Had a guy in a Lexus go apoplectic the other day when I flashed my brake lights at him (slowing about 1mph, 2mph absolute max.) when he came up at about 45mph to within 2-3 metre of my bumper, on a straight section in a 30 zone, lots of hazards (garage forecourt, commercial premises entrances, pedestrians on pavement), no prior interaction. Was weaving all over the place and trying to intimidate me. All on camera so if it came to it I could show what happened (have never replayed any dashcam footage ever though, just there in case the worst happens, so I hopefully I don't qualify as a dashcam w*nker). That was probably my first experience of roadrage in a year so I don't normally attract these situations.
Edited by Turkey on Wednesday 22 December 01:35
swisstoni said:
At the risk of sounding like some driving Jesus, the cars
in L1, L2 and L3 should have seen what was shaping up;
the car in L1 is closing on a vehicle in front of them. They should already be looking for a gap to move on to L2 well before they get close (and let’s not forget the brake pedal is an option at a pinch).
The car already in L2 should see this shaping up and look to get themselves out of the way. Either by moving in to L3 or slowing or speeding up in L2.
Cars in L3 need to be at least aware of what’s happening in L1 and L2 and be prepared for cars moving in to L3.
I think this is compunded by a 'sheep effect'. Many drivers want to huddle around each other rather than keeping a chosen speed. As in, they sit in your blind spot in the next lane out but never overtake, until they latch onto someone else in front then accelerate hard to catch up to them, then slow down and sit alongside them, so anyone approaching from the rear will be really frustrated as they never pull over and allow them to pass.in L1, L2 and L3 should have seen what was shaping up;
the car in L1 is closing on a vehicle in front of them. They should already be looking for a gap to move on to L2 well before they get close (and let’s not forget the brake pedal is an option at a pinch).
The car already in L2 should see this shaping up and look to get themselves out of the way. Either by moving in to L3 or slowing or speeding up in L2.
Cars in L3 need to be at least aware of what’s happening in L1 and L2 and be prepared for cars moving in to L3.
If I'm in L2 and can't move to L3 to allow someone in L1 to pass on a car they are approaching in front of them quickly, I will try to ease off or speed up a couple of mph to accommodate them, but nothing too hasty. If they decide to enbark on a kamikaze mission I will have an escape plan, but for me, indicator does not give priority, but might also mean you need to make way for an idiot who thins it means it gives them automatic priority.
If I am boxed in, I won't use an indicator to force someone else in the outer lane to me to change their course or speed. It will be either bad luck or poor planning that got me in that situation. If they want to they can change lanes and let me out if they have seen then situation shaping up, and I will be extremely grateful, but I will drop speed or accelerate to get my position and momentum right, then use my indicator and change lanes, so nobody else has to change their plans unexpectedly. Bullying your way around on the road is just poor behaviour imho. An assertive gesture can make a suggestion, such as a quick headlamp flash show to a middle lane hogger (followed by a thankyou wave if they move), but to change lanes in some else's path and cause them to react harshly is not on imho.
Edited by Turkey on Wednesday 22 December 01:52
silverfoxcc said:
devnull said
I had an IAM assessment and I got marked down for dry steering the car (directly performing a 3 point turn out of a parallel parked space) I was told that I was marked down because it wasn’t sympathetic to the track rod ends. My response was to say that track rod ends are £15 from ECP and I could change them in an hour if it came to that. He obviously disagreed, but it’s that particular anal character that advanced drivers have that put me off from getting any further involvement.
When i was on the Rolls Royce/Bentley driving course at Crewe, on one of the segments they marked us down for dry steering. Luckily i remembered what my DI told me back in the days of power steering being a luxury.
When you are doing a 3 point turn just before you reach the opposite kerb swing the wheel from full right lock to full left lock. Two reasons, the steering will be in the best position to get maximum use for reversing and it is easier for a moving wheel to be moved than a stationary one.
Likwise when complete phase two, turn wheel fully to right, again easier to turn steering and getting wheels pointing in correct direction. This was confirmed by the RR instructors even though power steering is the norm nowadays.
I had a few bad habits changed on that course, as a result got an IAM pass. there are other drivers who will not accept that their driving styles are not good, My BiL who should know better but doesn't drives with the right hand at the top od the steering wheel ,well actually his hand overhangs the wheel, the left hand is sometimes on it
I have to sit in the back as i cannot look at this slovenly method. as well as when he turning he just uses the heel of the hand, no control over the wheel whatsoever should an incident occur. and 10-2 is not the must use position, my car has the spokes at 8-20, my Volvo is at 9-15 just as long as both hands are on the wheel and you feel comfortable. and yes i do shuffle when turning into a corner, but let it return through my hands .
One other thing i try after being shown it on a bus ,is to once you ar in the turn and the wheels are pointing along the route you wish to take, it to 'unwind' keeping them straight. gives you a smoother exit as most drives still keep the 'turn position' on unitl the whole car is point straight but the whhels are still turning right, resulting in a unnecessary correction to get straight. Hard to explain on paper. but a doddle in practice
I did try an explain it to him, but he had the IAM are a bunch of tossers as well. i could get him Roadcraft for Xmas. but it will be a waste of time.
Rule No 1
Never comment on a mans driving ability or sexual prowess... you will be on a loser
I do it naturally as it is sympathetic to track rod ends and tyres. I suppose the point of advanced driving is to show best practice, but yes probably not the end of the world. Then again I both double declutch and rev match and that has become natural, as it is kinder to the drivetrain. So maybe I'm a bit OCD about it all.I had an IAM assessment and I got marked down for dry steering the car (directly performing a 3 point turn out of a parallel parked space) I was told that I was marked down because it wasn’t sympathetic to the track rod ends. My response was to say that track rod ends are £15 from ECP and I could change them in an hour if it came to that. He obviously disagreed, but it’s that particular anal character that advanced drivers have that put me off from getting any further involvement.
When i was on the Rolls Royce/Bentley driving course at Crewe, on one of the segments they marked us down for dry steering. Luckily i remembered what my DI told me back in the days of power steering being a luxury.
When you are doing a 3 point turn just before you reach the opposite kerb swing the wheel from full right lock to full left lock. Two reasons, the steering will be in the best position to get maximum use for reversing and it is easier for a moving wheel to be moved than a stationary one.
Likwise when complete phase two, turn wheel fully to right, again easier to turn steering and getting wheels pointing in correct direction. This was confirmed by the RR instructors even though power steering is the norm nowadays.
I had a few bad habits changed on that course, as a result got an IAM pass. there are other drivers who will not accept that their driving styles are not good, My BiL who should know better but doesn't drives with the right hand at the top od the steering wheel ,well actually his hand overhangs the wheel, the left hand is sometimes on it
I have to sit in the back as i cannot look at this slovenly method. as well as when he turning he just uses the heel of the hand, no control over the wheel whatsoever should an incident occur. and 10-2 is not the must use position, my car has the spokes at 8-20, my Volvo is at 9-15 just as long as both hands are on the wheel and you feel comfortable. and yes i do shuffle when turning into a corner, but let it return through my hands .
One other thing i try after being shown it on a bus ,is to once you ar in the turn and the wheels are pointing along the route you wish to take, it to 'unwind' keeping them straight. gives you a smoother exit as most drives still keep the 'turn position' on unitl the whole car is point straight but the whhels are still turning right, resulting in a unnecessary correction to get straight. Hard to explain on paper. but a doddle in practice
I did try an explain it to him, but he had the IAM are a bunch of tossers as well. i could get him Roadcraft for Xmas. but it will be a waste of time.
Rule No 1
Never comment on a mans driving ability or sexual prowess... you will be on a loser
I did a RoSPA assessment many years ago, got a silver. Got marked down for driving a bit hesitantly around town, I was a bit tense. Also had to do an emergency stop on the M3 as a 405 estate in front of me in lane 3 drifted onto the gravel by the central reservation and lost the back end, and the examiner swore, think I got some Brownie points for the quick reaction though. That had to happen on my advanced test of course, it's the sort of thing that happens once a year.
By coincidence, got rejected today for a job I applied for at Bentley today, I'm an engineer. Had to give a Powerpoint presentation for my remote interview, very thorough interview process.
Edited by Turkey on Wednesday 22 December 02:02
underwhelmist said:
FiF said:
Oh yes there's another Bewdley one, on Stourport Road, near Bewdley school, there are a couple of those narrow sections where traffic travelling towards town has to give way to opposing vehicles. There are give way lines painted on the road for the give way direction, signs in both directions telling drivers who has priority, yet heading into town you slow down, stop at the line, only for someone with priority to also stop and look at you with that dull eyed vacant expression wondering why you haven't moved.
Apologies for a couple of parochial posts.
This. You must live near me.Apologies for a couple of parochial posts.
Last night, traffic light junction, end of Stourport Road past the leisure centre where it makes a T with the A456 that's just passed WM Safari Park and then heading towards Bewdley bypass.
For others not familiar, the timing of the lights certainly seems to favour traffic emerging onto the 456, at least when I'm usually passing through around 10pm ish , at least 9 times out of 10 get a green light. Last night no different, nobody behind, approaching junction check to right early, nobody, final check to left just in case someone toeing it down the main road.
Not the typical twonk in a Golf R / S3 but ambulance of full blues. So stop, albeit across stop line, but still in side road and not beyond the island. Ambulance slows at his light which is still red, but then proceeds as I'm not moving, carries on with the customary "cheers" pip on the horn.
I've now got a red light, green on main road, Kia Sportage approaching followed by other vehicle (s), they've got a steady green. OK they've seen what's gone on, but Kia anchors up flashing furiously. Nope, thanks but I've now got a red, not going to move on principle, I'm here, safe, not exposed, just keep bloody going instead of holding the lot of us up. OK I realise you're trying to be nice and reward me for not holding up ambulance but tonight I lost out on the light sequence. No big deal.
When people do this with car heating systems (yes, adjusting in car controls counts as driving)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
SeeNoWeevil said:
When people do this with car heating systems (yes, adjusting in car controls counts as driving)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
FiF said:
underwhelmist said:
FiF said:
Oh yes there's another Bewdley one, on Stourport Road, near Bewdley school, there are a couple of those narrow sections where traffic travelling towards town has to give way to opposing vehicles. There are give way lines painted on the road for the give way direction, signs in both directions telling drivers who has priority, yet heading into town you slow down, stop at the line, only for someone with priority to also stop and look at you with that dull eyed vacant expression wondering why you haven't moved.
Apologies for a couple of parochial posts.
This. You must live near me.Apologies for a couple of parochial posts.
Last night, traffic light junction, end of Stourport Road past the leisure centre where it makes a T with the A456 that's just passed WM Safari Park and then heading towards Bewdley bypass.
For others not familiar, the timing of the lights certainly seems to favour traffic emerging onto the 456, at least when I'm usually passing through around 10pm ish , at least 9 times out of 10 get a green light. Last night no different, nobody behind, approaching junction check to right early, nobody, final check to left just in case someone toeing it down the main road.
Not the typical twonk in a Golf R / S3 but ambulance of full blues. So stop, albeit across stop line, but still in side road and not beyond the island. Ambulance slows at his light which is still red, but then proceeds as I'm not moving, carries on with the customary "cheers" pip on the horn.
I've now got a red light, green on main road, Kia Sportage approaching followed by other vehicle (s), they've got a steady green. OK they've seen what's gone on, but Kia anchors up flashing furiously. Nope, thanks but I've now got a red, not going to move on principle, I'm here, safe, not exposed, just keep bloody going instead of holding the lot of us up. OK I realise you're trying to be nice and reward me for not holding up ambulance but tonight I lost out on the light sequence. No big deal.
People like the VW Toerag driver I followed earlier today.
At less than 30mph he couldn't manage to make this left hand bend without going onto the centre hatched section.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.288699,-0.8382838,...
Then went into the right lane at this roundabout but took the first exit, by crossing 'straightening' the roundabout, almost apexing the centre island.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2890501,-0.8375067...
When the road openend into dual carriageway I overtook him but as the road went from two to one lane at the next roundabout he didn't slow and almost rear ended me. Not sure if he was making a point or was just lacked any observation skills. Very annoying either way.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2957613,-0.8329265...
At less than 30mph he couldn't manage to make this left hand bend without going onto the centre hatched section.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.288699,-0.8382838,...
Then went into the right lane at this roundabout but took the first exit, by crossing 'straightening' the roundabout, almost apexing the centre island.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2890501,-0.8375067...
When the road openend into dual carriageway I overtook him but as the road went from two to one lane at the next roundabout he didn't slow and almost rear ended me. Not sure if he was making a point or was just lacked any observation skills. Very annoying either way.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2957613,-0.8329265...
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