RE: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Edition 507 | Spotted
Discussion
cerb4.5lee said:
EC123 said:
I was just asking in what way it makes it a must have actually driving it, having never had a car with LSD.
It is just down to personal taste I think, and I prefer the extra traction that it gives you, and I find sliding a car easier with one(it gives me more control). Try one with... and you will never want one without... and thats in anything really..
Unless really low powered... like <150hp
MTK1919 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
That’s lovely.
There’s a very similar one of these up in Dubai at the moment, maybe I go and take a look-see tomorrow. £33k in English money. Thought it was your old one for a moment, but this has the wheels in black.
https://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/merced...
and 2 extra doors!There’s a very similar one of these up in Dubai at the moment, maybe I go and take a look-see tomorrow. £33k in English money. Thought it was your old one for a moment, but this has the wheels in black.
https://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/merced...
My old one was up for sale earlier in the year for around 140k AED
Will look in the morning and report back to this thread tomorrow - the dealer is new and seems to be pushing their “0% down” finance packages hard, but the car itself looks genuine and lovely.
Oh, and the car is free anyway, what you’re actually buying is the engine!
When I bought my C63 Estate new, back in 2012, the dealer had an AMG event that I was invited along to. I was um'ing and ah'ing over whether to add the LSD (£1750 option) when he suggested I back-to-back try two C63s, one with the LSD and one without. And he wouldn't tell me which was which.
It didn't matter, it was evident from the first corner when you squeezed the throttle on; the throttle opening gently edging the nose further into a corner. Glorious.
As for the earlier mention about these engines being de-tuned (the standard car, not the 507) that's exactly right. It's the same engine as in the E63 & CLS63, and in those cars produced 525bhp. In the C63, due to packaging constraints, the exhaust manifold isn't as free-flowing, but otherwise they're the same engine. However MB programme a throttle restriction of around 80% opening from 5000rpm. A remap simply removes this restriction (plus a few feeling & timing tweaks) and, on my car, increased from a dyno-proven 455bhp to 507bhp.
On the road, and below 5000rpm, there was no difference. However above the 5000rpm, the C63 suddenly gained some extra top-end shove, plus happily span through to the 7200rpm limiter, rather than feeling strangled from 6500rpm onwards.
It didn't matter, it was evident from the first corner when you squeezed the throttle on; the throttle opening gently edging the nose further into a corner. Glorious.
As for the earlier mention about these engines being de-tuned (the standard car, not the 507) that's exactly right. It's the same engine as in the E63 & CLS63, and in those cars produced 525bhp. In the C63, due to packaging constraints, the exhaust manifold isn't as free-flowing, but otherwise they're the same engine. However MB programme a throttle restriction of around 80% opening from 5000rpm. A remap simply removes this restriction (plus a few feeling & timing tweaks) and, on my car, increased from a dyno-proven 455bhp to 507bhp.
On the road, and below 5000rpm, there was no difference. However above the 5000rpm, the C63 suddenly gained some extra top-end shove, plus happily span through to the 7200rpm limiter, rather than feeling strangled from 6500rpm onwards.
I bought one about 3yrs ago and I absolutely love it. The C63 was a bucket list car for me and in this trim level it is even more special. The fact that it's only really recognised by 'those who know' makes it even more special; I once had a DHL guy demand a complete walk around the car when he spotted the decals down the side, desperate to understand what was different about it vs a standard one. It was really nice just having 5 minutes chatting about it and seeing his enthusiasm/appreciation for it.
When you drive it back to back with the model one newer than the 2013/14 shape you begin to appreciate the raw, analogue nature of that engine, and in this spec you realise just how right they got it. Don't get me wrong, the newer one is good but I enjoy the slightly edgy/dangerous look this spec brings when coupled with the different wheels, bonnet vent and decals. It's definitely a brute - I've never really opened it up fully fully fully, I figured it's best to have a healthy respect for how quickly it could probably do what it's designed to do...
Didn't know about the throttle limiting, that's definitely something I need to look into!
The problem is, after this, where to next in the sub £90k bracket? I'm sure that question will keep a few people busy.
When you drive it back to back with the model one newer than the 2013/14 shape you begin to appreciate the raw, analogue nature of that engine, and in this spec you realise just how right they got it. Don't get me wrong, the newer one is good but I enjoy the slightly edgy/dangerous look this spec brings when coupled with the different wheels, bonnet vent and decals. It's definitely a brute - I've never really opened it up fully fully fully, I figured it's best to have a healthy respect for how quickly it could probably do what it's designed to do...
Didn't know about the throttle limiting, that's definitely something I need to look into!
The problem is, after this, where to next in the sub £90k bracket? I'm sure that question will keep a few people busy.
A chap came up to me in one of these a few years ago - tailed me into the car park as I was in the breadvan which he wanted to have a look at.
He had the estate in white, with a few extras I think - was a fantastic motor. I meant to get him number, so if you've got a white 507, and an LSB E46 M3, and live near Friston in Suffolk drop me a pm.
Cheers,
David.
He had the estate in white, with a few extras I think - was a fantastic motor. I meant to get him number, so if you've got a white 507, and an LSB E46 M3, and live near Friston in Suffolk drop me a pm.
Cheers,
David.
Beautiful 507 wagons...
The red car is glorious!
I nearly bought a red 08 wagon as I found out the original owner was my best friends father.! Sadly they couldn't tell me if the headbolts had been done so I bought a black 2013 wagon.
Ours has been at 155 mph down the autobahn 3 up and luggage no problem, a bit lardy on alpine passes and round Silverstone she was outgunned... But I love her!
Admittedly makes a better noise than my M4 did although it was a sharper tool.
The red car is glorious!
I nearly bought a red 08 wagon as I found out the original owner was my best friends father.! Sadly they couldn't tell me if the headbolts had been done so I bought a black 2013 wagon.
Ours has been at 155 mph down the autobahn 3 up and luggage no problem, a bit lardy on alpine passes and round Silverstone she was outgunned... But I love her!
Admittedly makes a better noise than my M4 did although it was a sharper tool.
ghibbett said:
When I bought my C63 Estate new, back in 2012, the dealer had an AMG event that I was invited along to. I was um'ing and ah'ing over whether to add the LSD (£1750 option) when he suggested I back-to-back try two C63s, one with the LSD and one without. And he wouldn't tell me which was which.
It didn't matter, it was evident from the first corner when you squeezed the throttle on; the throttle opening gently edging the nose further into a corner. Glorious.
As for the earlier mention about these engines being de-tuned (the standard car, not the 507) that's exactly right. It's the same engine as in the E63 & CLS63, and in those cars produced 525bhp. In the C63, due to packaging constraints, the exhaust manifold isn't as free-flowing, but otherwise they're the same engine. However MB programme a throttle restriction of around 80% opening from 5000rpm. A remap simply removes this restriction (plus a few feeling & timing tweaks) and, on my car, increased from a dyno-proven 455bhp to 507bhp.
On the road, and below 5000rpm, there was no difference. However above the 5000rpm, the C63 suddenly gained some extra top-end shove, plus happily span through to the 7200rpm limiter, rather than feeling strangled from 6500rpm onwards.
Does this mean the forged pistons and lightened crank actually does nothing other than a marketing gimmick?It didn't matter, it was evident from the first corner when you squeezed the throttle on; the throttle opening gently edging the nose further into a corner. Glorious.
As for the earlier mention about these engines being de-tuned (the standard car, not the 507) that's exactly right. It's the same engine as in the E63 & CLS63, and in those cars produced 525bhp. In the C63, due to packaging constraints, the exhaust manifold isn't as free-flowing, but otherwise they're the same engine. However MB programme a throttle restriction of around 80% opening from 5000rpm. A remap simply removes this restriction (plus a few feeling & timing tweaks) and, on my car, increased from a dyno-proven 455bhp to 507bhp.
On the road, and below 5000rpm, there was no difference. However above the 5000rpm, the C63 suddenly gained some extra top-end shove, plus happily span through to the 7200rpm limiter, rather than feeling strangled from 6500rpm onwards.
Or is it a case that you don't get anymore power/performance compared to removing the "detune" and the only benefit you get is quicker throttle response?
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