Modifying to be illegal?
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swanny71 said:
Was it a quality aftermarket part or cheap crap?
If it was a quality aftermarket part, then I’d imagine quality control checks had already been carried out and maybe you were just unlucky?
If it was cheap crap then you got what you paid for.
Component had the appearance of decent quality and was not cheap. However a neat weld had poor penetration resulting in failure. If it was a quality aftermarket part, then I’d imagine quality control checks had already been carried out and maybe you were just unlucky?
If it was cheap crap then you got what you paid for.
Hmm.
I must say, I'm very suspicious of anything like this.
We have plenty of rules already on what is or isn't safe for a road car, I don't think we need an additional layer of simply hammering anything that isn't OEM (or hasn't been specifically "certified", which would be rather a can of worms as to what it entails).
Feels to me like it's a lazy solution to avoid having to actually check stuff from a technical perspective, just hit people for a paperwork infraction. Like how without a B+E licence, you can be booked for towing the wrong plated weights, irrespective of whether you're actually outside the weight limits. Thankfully that example is soon to be history.
This country is remarkably sensible about allowing modifications and other work on cars, and we shouldn't sacrifice the benefits of that for the convenience of dealing with the people who take the piss (and who could almost certainly be found to be breaching an existing rule or twelve anyway).
I must say, I'm very suspicious of anything like this.
We have plenty of rules already on what is or isn't safe for a road car, I don't think we need an additional layer of simply hammering anything that isn't OEM (or hasn't been specifically "certified", which would be rather a can of worms as to what it entails).
Feels to me like it's a lazy solution to avoid having to actually check stuff from a technical perspective, just hit people for a paperwork infraction. Like how without a B+E licence, you can be booked for towing the wrong plated weights, irrespective of whether you're actually outside the weight limits. Thankfully that example is soon to be history.
This country is remarkably sensible about allowing modifications and other work on cars, and we shouldn't sacrifice the benefits of that for the convenience of dealing with the people who take the piss (and who could almost certainly be found to be breaching an existing rule or twelve anyway).
akirk said:
And we already have noise and emissions legislation which in theory stops that...
If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
I should start by saying I am against any attempt to make non-oem parts or modifying illegal. However, to pick up on this point.......If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
The trouble with existing legislation is that it needs expertise to detect and so proving non-conformance is time consuming and not guaranteed. eg. to prove sound limits you need a calibrated sound meter and proof that you know how to use it. So, by and large, the authories decide they have better things to do.
If all parts had to be OEM and type approved then the job is much easier. Your parts are not OEM? Bang to rights! Job done.
Of course it is the innocent that pay, the guilty find ways around it. But that has always been the way.
KTMsm said:
tomic said:
MercScot said:
Thank f
k for that, no more Saxo's with dustbin exhausts either - bring it on!
Agreed - needs to be applied retrospectively as wellk for that, no more Saxo's with dustbin exhausts either - bring it on!brman said:
akirk said:
And we already have noise and emissions legislation which in theory stops that...
If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
I should start by saying I am against any attempt to make non-oem parts or modifying illegal. However, to pick up on this point.......If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
The trouble with existing legislation is that it needs expertise to detect and so proving non-conformance is time consuming and not guaranteed. eg. to prove sound limits you need a calibrated sound meter and proof that you know how to use it. So, by and large, the authories decide they have better things to do.
If all parts had to be OEM and type approved then the job is much easier. Your parts are not OEM? Bang to rights! Job done.
Of course it is the innocent that pay, the guilty find ways around it. But that has always been the way.
but loss of liberty as the cost of convenience is not the society I would want to live in...
akirk said:
brman said:
akirk said:
And we already have noise and emissions legislation which in theory stops that...
If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
I should start by saying I am against any attempt to make non-oem parts or modifying illegal. However, to pick up on this point.......If the perpetrators of that anti-social behaviour ignore current legislation - exactly how effective do you anticipate the new legislation being?!
The trouble with existing legislation is that it needs expertise to detect and so proving non-conformance is time consuming and not guaranteed. eg. to prove sound limits you need a calibrated sound meter and proof that you know how to use it. So, by and large, the authories decide they have better things to do.
If all parts had to be OEM and type approved then the job is much easier. Your parts are not OEM? Bang to rights! Job done.
Of course it is the innocent that pay, the guilty find ways around it. But that has always been the way.
but loss of liberty as the cost of convenience is not the society I would want to live in...
But which OEM specification parts is “correct”? I know of a large German manufacturer that has 2 specifications of suspension arms. The UK gets the poorer specification part.
The proposal would see me fall foul for fitting a part not fitted as standard but with improved fatigue strength.
I agree with the sentiment on here to actually enforce the laws we have.
The proposal would see me fall foul for fitting a part not fitted as standard but with improved fatigue strength.
I agree with the sentiment on here to actually enforce the laws we have.
Jazoli said:
bigothunter said:
With UK moving rapidly to electric vehicles, how relevant is this issue? 
What? Its hugely relevant, there will still be tens of millions of non electric vehicles on the road for at least the next 20 years.If they're keen on 'right to repair', then that is not compatible with outlawing modifications.
Jazoli said:
Are you a bit short on brain matter? this will apply to all vehicles, not just motorcycles.
Even better.105.4 said:
It not often that I resort to personally insulting someone on here, but bravo moron.
I remember the days when this used to be a forum for motoring enthusiasts, not weapons-grade ####s.
Cute, how about considering a course in anger management?I remember the days when this used to be a forum for motoring enthusiasts, not weapons-grade ####s.
Dog Star said:
If this means that only type approved parts can be used then well and good - I can't see how that can be a bad thing.
And if it helps bring an and to the noisy pop/bang/overrun craze that seems to be part of the modder culture these days then fan-bloody-tastic! Bring it on!
Noisy vehicles done just for the owners selfish vanity are an absolute blight on modern life, whether you live in a city or the countryside. I hope they all get fking crushed.
What about the custom scene where plenty still fabricate their own parts??And if it helps bring an and to the noisy pop/bang/overrun craze that seems to be part of the modder culture these days then fan-bloody-tastic! Bring it on!
Noisy vehicles done just for the owners selfish vanity are an absolute blight on modern life, whether you live in a city or the countryside. I hope they all get f
king crushed.bigothunter said:
Banning or requiring certification of modifications will never apply to track-only racers.
That's what they said here in the US; they were wrong 
https://www.thedrive.com/accelerator/2137/epa-clar...
I did read the article in MCN the other day and assumed it was a windup with how monumentally stupid the idea is.
I can imagine that every vehicle on the road that's over 3 years old will have a none factory part fitted. Changed your air filter at a service? Hope you went to main dealer! New tyres? Did you check the manufacturer to see what was fitted from the factory. Replacement bushes, replaced a section of exhaust, brake fluid/pads/discs, oil filter, springs. Where do we draw the line? If you fill up with 99 fuel when manufactorer says 95 is that a modification? Shall I expect a nice chunky fine and some points for running a K&N cleanable air filter so I can use it for years?
My bike has an aftermarket exhaust on, original had started to rust through, the original from Suzuki was over £1000 yet I got a lighter, better made exhaust for less than half that. Manufactorers will be rubbing their hands with glea as we are forced to pay whatever price they want for parts to keep our vehicles on the road. Why don't we go further? Why not only allow repairs/servicing at the original manufactorers?
Bat poo crazy!
I can imagine that every vehicle on the road that's over 3 years old will have a none factory part fitted. Changed your air filter at a service? Hope you went to main dealer! New tyres? Did you check the manufacturer to see what was fitted from the factory. Replacement bushes, replaced a section of exhaust, brake fluid/pads/discs, oil filter, springs. Where do we draw the line? If you fill up with 99 fuel when manufactorer says 95 is that a modification? Shall I expect a nice chunky fine and some points for running a K&N cleanable air filter so I can use it for years?
My bike has an aftermarket exhaust on, original had started to rust through, the original from Suzuki was over £1000 yet I got a lighter, better made exhaust for less than half that. Manufactorers will be rubbing their hands with glea as we are forced to pay whatever price they want for parts to keep our vehicles on the road. Why don't we go further? Why not only allow repairs/servicing at the original manufactorers?
Bat poo crazy!
akirk said:
And these proposals are clearly not aimed at those people or that behaviour - it is aimed at legislation for a scenario where manufacturers and government have tracking systems in your car so that they know where it is / so that they can charge per mile / so that they can have black boxes presumably which will automatically give you points if you go over a set speed limit / etc. - that is the purpose, it is to remove control from the punter and give it to government / manufacturers who know better.
You say that like it's a bad thing though... If you're behaving yourself then there's nothing to see here, and if tracking and increased surveillance forces others to behave themselves too rather than acting in a manner to the detriment of others that can only a positive result.
An ideal situation would be to live in a society where everybody considered the consequences of their actions on others of course. But society isn't in an ideal situation, and is increasingly moving away from one toward a culture of self-serving individualism so consequently there's a need to adjust the boundaries because there's way too many selfish idiots in society with an attitude of entitlement that allows them to do whatever they like and stuff the consequences of their actions and behaviour on anybody else.
I get why some may not be comfortable with that concept but a moments thought will tell you society invariably gets what society deserves.
GroundZero said:
KTMsm said:
tomic said:
MercScot said:
Thank fk for that, no more Saxo's with dustbin exhausts either - bring it on!
Agreed - needs to be applied retrospectively as wellk for that, no more Saxo's with dustbin exhausts either - bring it on!Too many anti-motorist, anti-car, anti-fun, anti-young, pro-green alarmists on here. If they have such a dislike for cars, engines and driving fun then surely this is not the forum they would want to be wasting time on. Mumsnet and other forums are available.
f
k I love this place.InitialDave said:
Undercover McNoName said:
"Loss of liberty", sure you don't mean the loss of right to annoy 99,9% of the population who doesn't care for your noise and pollution?
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