Modifying to be illegal?

[bigothunter]

Oilchange said:

bigothunter said:

CarCrazyDad said:

Isn't the limit of a big van or vehicle with a trailer 60mph on the motorway?

Busted!

Motorway limit for large van or truck under 7500kg is still 70mph. Just the EU insist on hobbling anything over 3500kg to 56mph using a hard limiter. Clearly they find differentiating between 3.5 and 44.0 tonne commercial vehicles too difficult.

Motorway limit when towing behind my 3500kg van is 60mph. Comfortable cruise is 65...

My comments were always tongue-in-cheek so busted if you wish. But at least I'm not an unthinking sanctimonious slave to ridiculous authoritarian diktat.

[pigeyman]

bigothunter said:

Why have a speedo where less than one-third of the scale can be used? Your needle should stop at 70

What's the point in having sex if you don't want to have a baby?

[bigothunter]

CountVacillate said:

bigothunter said:

Why have a speedo where less than one-third of the scale can be used? Your needle should stop at 70

Why exactly are you on this site with that kind of ethos. You are well aware there are autobahns and private events where you can enjoy the upper scale of that tacho, shove you finger waving, who the hell do you think you are!?

pigeyman said:

bigothunter said:

Why have a speedo where less than one-third of the scale can be used? Your needle should stop at 70

What's the point in having sex if you don't want to have a baby?

Sorry chaps, my outrageous post was sarcastic. Thought that was obvious especially from my other comments

[Kawasicki]

bigothunter said:

Sorry chaps, my outrageous post was sarcastic. Thought that was obvious especially from my other comments

You can be outrageously sarcastic and it still fits in with what people expect others to write.

[Kawasicki]

CountVacillate said:

Good stuff ??

You never can tell on this site, there seems a fair few that don’t seem interested in cars and the fun you can have!

As long as you’re not having fun on the public road, I‘m happy.

[NMNeil]

bigothunter said:

My comments were always tongue-in-cheek so busted if you wish. But at least I'm not an unthinking sanctimonious slave to ridiculous authoritarian diktat.

So have you removed the seat belts and air bags from your van to show you are not a slave to authoritarian overreach.?

[bigothunter]

NMNeil said:

So have you removed the seat belts and air bags from your van to show you are not a slave to authoritarian overreach.?

I'm sure you are sufficiently intelligent to realise that your statement is not convincing

[NMNeil]

bigothunter said:

NMNeil said:

So have you removed the seat belts and air bags from your van to show you are not a slave to authoritarian overreach.?

I'm sure you are sufficiently intelligent to realise that your statement is not convincing

It's all a matter of perspective.
Air bags and seat belts are for the safety of the driver and the occupants of the car, so nobody on PH tampers with them. Speed limits and emissions controls are for the safety of others, not for the driver or the occupants, so some PH members believe they can readily be ignored by citing government dictatorial overreach.

[anonymous-user]

NMNeil said:

bigothunter said:

NMNeil said:

So have you removed the seat belts and air bags from your van to show you are not a slave to authoritarian overreach.?

I'm sure you are sufficiently intelligent to realise that your statement is not convincing

It's all a matter of perspective.
Air bags and seat belts are for the safety of the driver and the occupants of the car, so nobody on PH tampers with them. Speed limits and emissions controls are for the safety of others, not for the driver or the occupants, so some PH members believe they can readily be ignored by citing government dictatorial overreach.

How clueless can you be to claim no one on PH tampers with airbags or seatbelts? I guess you don't know very many. Secondly if speed limits are effective then they benefit everyone including the driver and lastly emissions controls obviously benefit everyone including the driver. Coming out hot for the most BS in a single post 2022! Solid effort.

[NMNeil]

fblm said:

How clueless can you be to claim no one on PH tampers with airbags or seatbelts? I guess you don't know very many. Secondly if speed limits are effective then they benefit everyone including the driver and lastly emissions controls obviously benefit everyone including the driver. Coming out hot for the most BS in a single post 2022! Solid effort.

I did a search and can't find a single posting regarding removing seat belts or air bags. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
And emission controls benefit no one if they are removed, and again there are numerous posts on decatting, DPF removal and advice on finding a corrupt MOT tester who will overlook the missing emissions control equipment.
And thank you for acknowledging the effort.

[NMNeil]

One thing that is being overlooked regarding the pending anti tamper legislation is that some companies will be forced to close or change their business model. e.g
https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/services/egr-remova...
"A specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply where a principal effect of the product is to bypass, defeat, reduce the effectiveness of or render inoperative a system, part or component (the product may be a physical part or component, hardware and/or software)"
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future...

[trails]

NMNeil said:

fblm said:

How clueless can you be to claim no one on PH tampers with airbags or seatbelts? I guess you don't know very many. Secondly if speed limits are effective then they benefit everyone including the driver and lastly emissions controls obviously benefit everyone including the driver. Coming out hot for the most BS in a single post 2022! Solid effort.

I did a search and can't find a single posting regarding removing seat belts or air bags. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
And emission controls benefit no one if they are removed, and again there are numerous posts on decatting, DPF removal and advice on finding a corrupt MOT tester who will overlook the missing emissions control equipment.
And thank you for acknowledging the effort.

It’s not uncommon to swap steering wheels out for non-airbag models.

[DodgyGeezer]

trails said:

NMNeil said:

fblm said:

How clueless can you be to claim no one on PH tampers with airbags or seatbelts? I guess you don't know very many. Secondly if speed limits are effective then they benefit everyone including the driver and lastly emissions controls obviously benefit everyone including the driver. Coming out hot for the most BS in a single post 2022! Solid effort.

I did a search and can't find a single posting regarding removing seat belts or air bags. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
And emission controls benefit no one if they are removed, and again there are numerous posts on decatting, DPF removal and advice on finding a corrupt MOT tester who will overlook the missing emissions control equipment.
And thank you for acknowledging the effort.

It’s not uncommon to swap steering wheels out for non-airbag models.

Some also swap out seat-belts for race harnesses

[anonymous-user]

DodgyGeezer said:

trails said:

NMNeil said:

fblm said:

How clueless can you be to claim no one on PH tampers with airbags or seatbelts? I guess you don't know very many. Secondly if speed limits are effective then they benefit everyone including the driver and lastly emissions controls obviously benefit everyone including the driver. Coming out hot for the most BS in a single post 2022! Solid effort.

I did a search and can't find a single posting regarding removing seat belts or air bags. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
And emission controls benefit no one if they are removed, and again there are numerous posts on decatting, DPF removal and advice on finding a corrupt MOT tester who will overlook the missing emissions control equipment.
And thank you for acknowledging the effort.

It’s not uncommon to swap steering wheels out for non-airbag models.

Some also swap out seat-belts for race harnesses

Well quite. Would have thought anyone, even remotely interested in any kind of performance driving/grassroots motorsports/track days/rallying etc would be well aware.

[anonymous-user]

NMNeil said:

...
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
...

Ignoring that that makes absolutely no sense either what you actually said was...

NMNeil said:

...Speed limits and emissions controls are for the safety of others, not for the driver or the occupants...

which when you read it again, even you must realise is just drivel

[NMNeil]

DodgyGeezer said:

Some also swap out seat-belts for race harnesses

But has anyone completely removed the seat belts?

[NMNeil]

fblm said:

NMNeil said:

...
Relying on drivers to adhere to the speed limits is not working, as there are numerous posts boasting on how fast PH members have driven, asking for advice on how to evade a speeding ticket and the best radar detector to buy so they can drive as fast as they want without fear of prosecution.
...

Ignoring that that makes absolutely no sense either what you actually said was...

NMNeil said:

...Speed limits and emissions controls are for the safety of others, not for the driver or the occupants...

which when you read it again, even you must realise is just drivel

We can keep going round like this, but in the end, the days of speeding and removing emissions control equipment are fast coming to an end.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

[anonymous-user]

NMNeil said:

But has anyone completely removed the seat belts?

Yes and replaced with harnesses. It's pretty obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[KTMsm]

NMNeil said:

We can keep going round like this, but in the end, the days of speeding and removing emissions control equipment are fast coming to an end.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

If this becomes law it will reduce it as it will make it harder but the enthusiasts have been modifying regardless of the law and that won't stop

I'm generally against removing choice - remind me exactly how much of the World's pollution do the UK private motorists generate ?

I'll take a wild guess at 0.1%
(UK creates 1% of world pollution, all road transport is 25% of that, subtract commercial... which is why I'm unconcerned about it)

[NMNeil]

KTMsm said:

If this becomes law it will reduce it as it will make it harder but the enthusiasts have been modifying regardless of the law and that won't stop

I'm generally against removing choice - remind me exactly how much of the World's pollution do the UK private motorists generate ?

Does it matter, or are you one of those who believes that as you only pollute a little you should be exempt from any laws preventing pollution, and a few fatalities is a reasonable price to pay for your 'freedom' to do as you please?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/1...